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Sep 27 2006 11:16
Russia IFA section discussion
magidd wrote:
Admin - split from KRAS discussion in response to a question from nastyned about whether the Russian IFA section is anarchist-communist or not.

Shit, i can't sleep and come back for the moment.
There is russian joke about english people and jewish people:
English man did not say anything and leave
Jew say "bye" but do not leave

nastyned wrote:
Do you have any evidence for this?
At the last IFA congress the Russian guy was repeatedly questioned if they were 'anarcho'-capitalist and he totally denied it, so if this is true it will have serious repercussions in IFA.

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If you ask russian section of IFA- are you anarho-capitalists- they say: "No we don't"
But you have to ask them: what do you thibk about privet propety, marcet economy, possibility for privet boss to hied workers? Is all of that can be good in the conditions of statless sociaty?
Than they say: "Yes"
Look at they document.
This is resolution of Russian Section of IFA (PLA) about creation of new anarho-communist groop FRAN
http://novsvet.narod.ru/pla227.htm

This resolution is anti-communist and pro-capitalist
You can read alot of important things.

IFA-Russia say that they are not socialists and they are not against capitalilism, but only against "ierarhic capitalism" wich "prevaile only in the conditions of oligarhic state"
"мы не являемся ни социалистами, ни пацифистами, поэтому для нас противниками являются лишь государственный милитаризм и только тот «капитализм», который строится по иерархическому принципу (что является правилом лишь в условиях господства олигархического государства)".

Than IFA-Russia say that "communist sociaty is impossible". It is inpossible becouse "communism does not support right of people to use results of they own work". They olso deny communist prinsipls.
В отличие от членов ФРАН, мы не выступаем за «либертарное (вольное) коммунистическое (коммунитарное) общество», поскольку полагаем существование такого общества невозможным. Вольные сообщества людей неизбежно будут сохранять своё своеобразие, они не могут быть построены по единой модели. Тем более в качестве такой модели не может рассматриваться коммунизм, не признающий за людьми права распоряжаться результатами собственного труда. Заявление о том, что «только такое солидарное устройство может обеспечить свободу и самоопределение человека, вольную жизнь по принципу: от каждого по его способностям, каждому по его потребностям» представляется нам необоснованной претензией на установление универсального «нового порядка».

IFA-Russia say that any attempts of total expansion of
communist prinsiples will mit "violent resistens of people who want to save they propety wich is made by they oun work". And IFA-Russian in this case "will support this sort of resistens against communist robbery". They also say that "hied workers pawer can not be distroid evrywere".
Всякая попытка тотального распространения этих принципов неизбежно встретит силовое сопротивление – которое со стороны людей, стремящихся иметь собственность по праву труда, будет нами поддержано как обоснованное и не нуждающееся в оправданиях противодействие коммунистическому грабежу. Мы не считаем наёмный труд желательным и необходимым во всех случаях и допускаем существование сообществ, где он будет преодолён – но полагаем, что эта форма взаимодействия между людьми не может быть уничтожена повсеместно.

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Sep 27 2006 14:12

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I dislike this people (from Russian section of IFA) and think they activity is nagative for social revolution and libertarian communism becouse they are anti-communists. But i don't realy care about them. IFA is not my organisation. So i don't want recomend enathing to IFA. This is not my problem.
But i respect AF of UK and all class strugle groopes anarho-communists of IFA and i was realy suprised than i get information that this groop from S-Petersburg join IFA.

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Sep 27 2006 14:27

BTW I thought they were called the ADA? I remember the guy from the last IFA congress, seemed nice enough, but I couldn't talk to him. The group's newspaper which seemed to have him pictured in each issue on a horse was quite something...

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Sep 27 2006 21:34

O! So not not only PLA but ADA is member.
My congratulations!
PLA is members of ADA. PLA is ADA-S-Petersburg. Another member is Anarhist groops from sity Kazan (AKA). They are not against money and free market economy.
Read this
http://akaada.narod.ru/index1.htm
"I think to accomplish ideas of anrho-comunism and anarho-sindicalism we will get fassism like "Duche regime" in 20s of XX"
Я считаю, что до конца доведенные идеи анархо-синдикализма и анархо-коммунизма ведут к фашизму образца режима Дуче середины 20-х гг. ХХ века.

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Mar 2 2010 16:10

ADA members are many anarchists - supporters of the market and the anarcho-communists. in our program but we favor the transfer of factories in the hands of workers.
We are trying to unite all the anarchists of the total program, which would suit all.
Sorry comrades, but I'm writing a program interpreter.

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Mar 2 2010 16:29

FRAN is NOT anarho-communist groop... And FRAN broke up many years ago.

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Mar 2 2010 16:46

BTW, this group is no longer part of IFA.

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Mar 2 2010 17:20

We excluded improperly. slandered us

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Mar 2 2010 17:27

I don't know the reasons for the exclusions. However, as you have stated yourself, some of your members support the market, and therefore are not communists.

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Mar 2 2010 17:57

They support a mixed economy. Such, for example, which was ideal for the rebels Makhno. And it does not mean that you can not act all anarchists together.
I am a Communist, but do not think the supporters of a mixed economy enemies, but rather friends. And together we are opposed to anarcho-capitalism.

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Mar 2 2010 18:01

ADA for the whole market is not the purpose