Situationist Insults for Castoriadis
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http://www.sociologyonline.co.uk/post_essays/PopCastoriadis.htm
Despite the Situationist International's indebtedness to S. ou B. and to Castoriadis in particular, the situationists refused to acknowledge it and were openly hostile to Castoriadis, whom they insulted relentlessly.
Come on then you sexy bookworm Francophiles, show me some examples of the situationist insults suffered by poor Cornelius. If you can source five or more translated into English then I’ll donate a tenner to libcom. (I’ve only got the one tenner, so I can only afford the first five).
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I know Deboard was a Son of a Bitch, not sure if he was an offical member.
Ho ho ho!
Who was i talking to the other week abother whether or not Debord was in S.o.B. or not?
Me. I thought he was.
i dont actually know of any specific insults but i bet that 'psuedo-revolutionary', 'Leninist imbecile' and 'apologist for the junk yard' were amongst them.
Corpse breath?
"I'd rather be a Paki than a leftist" was very popular with the SI at away games, and of course the moving "No surrender to the petite bourgeois!".
Me. I thought he was.
I don't remember it being mentioned in the bit about Debord in the intro to the Castoriadis reader.
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Me. I thought he was.I don't remember it being mentioned in the bit about Debord in the intro to the Castoriadis reader.
Jean Barrot says he was a member for several months here:
http://libcom.org/library/critique-of-situs-dauve
search for text "joined"
hm, looks like he knows what he was talking about, but looks like it was a really brief thing.
In this essay -- which we intend, along with "Workers' Councils, Castoriadis and the Situationist International," to be a contribution to an appreciation of the work of Castoriadis, who died in late 1997 at the age of 75 -- we will briefly explore the development of the S. ou B. group after 1961, that is, after Debord's departure.
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The customary and logical thing would have been to discuss publicly the reasons for this scission, and the opposing theses. Unfortunately, that is not possible for us to do. This opposition has remained without any definable content, positive or even negative; to this day we know nothing about those who reject our ideas want to put in their place, and just as little about what precisely they are opposed to. We therefore can only explain ourselves concerning our own positions and, for the rest, we can merely note once again the ideological and political sterility of conservatism.
Love it.
LR
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they did not know how to create scandals in the bourgeois world that would disseminate and attract people to their positions
What a strange thing to write.
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Come on then you sexy bookworm Francophiles,
You had me at "Hi"
No luck with the quotes, I was even planning to translate them myself too.
Come on then you sexy bookworm Francophiles, show me some examples of the situationist insults suffered by poor Cornelius. If you can source five or more translated into English then I’ll donate a tenner to libcom. (I’ve only got the one tenner, so I can only afford the first five).
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LR
"Sociologist" seems to be SI's favorite insult regarding Castoriadis (a.k.a. Cardan / Coudray). Here are five quotes for you.
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Felix
Poor Heidegger! Poor Lukács! Poor Sartre! Poor Barthes! Poor Lefebvre! Poor Cardan! Tics, tics, and tics. Lacking the method for using their intelligence, they end up with nothing but caricatural fragments of the innovating ideas that can simultaneously comprehend and contest the totality of our era. They are not only incapable of developing ideas, they don't even know how to skillfully plagiarize ideas developed by others. Once the specialized thinkers step out of their own domain, they can only be the dumfounded spectators of some neighboring and equally bankrupt specialization of which they were previously ignorant but which has become fashionable. The former specialist of ultra-leftist politics [Cornelius Castoriadis, aka Cardan] is awestruck at discovering, along with structuralism and social psychology, an ethnological ideology completely new to him: the fact that the Zuni Indians did not have any history appears to him as a luminous explanation for his own inability to act in our history. (Go laugh at the first twenty-five pages of Socialisme ou Barbarie #36.)
( from Now, the SI 1964
http://library.nothingness.org/articles/all/en/display/246 )
The wages of idiocy immediately exhibited by these managers of criticism, of a gimmick-critique, are themselves already the best victory of the oppressive and stultifying system. [Serge] Mallet, the eulogist of the Loire-Atlantic, is totally moved to discover in the most recent compilation of mush by André Gorz a number of banal truths that have been expressed for years by all the avant-garde movements — or perhaps simply by [John Kenneth] Galbraith. His technocratic pride then swells so far that he publicly praises participation in the leading economic spheres, and loudly faults the primitivism on the part of Engels who supposedly did not dare to acknowledge his well-being. And [Paul] Cardan, when he is not organizing votes for or against the meaning of the Realm of God, presents to his movement (whose mission is to "recommence the revolution") the same anti-Marxist and grossly falsifying platform that was proclaimed by the professors of philosophy in 1910.
( from Critique in Shreds, Internationale Situationniste #9
http://www.cddc.vt.edu/sionline/si/inshreds.html )
“Cardan [Cornelius Castoriadis], who here as elsewhere seems to think that it suffices to speak of something in order to have it, vaguely blathers on about ‘imagination’ in an attempt to justify the gelatinous flabbiness of his thought. He latches onto psychoanalysis (just as does the official world nowadays) as a justification of irrationality and of the profound motivations of the unconscious, although the discoveries of psychoanalysis are in fact a weapon — as yet unused due to obvious sociopolitical reasons — for a rational critique of the world. Psychoanalysis profoundly ferrets out the unconscious, its poverty and its miserable repressive maneuvers, which only draw their force and their magical grandeur from a quite banal practical repression in daily life.”
( from Internationale Situationniste #10, p. 79 )
"The majority of the British Solidarity group that is apparently demanding this boycott of the situationists are very combative revolutionary workers. We feel confident in stating that its shop-steward members have not yet read the SI, certainly not in French. But they have an ideological shield, their specialist of nonauthority, Dr. C. Pallis, a well-educated man who has been aware of the SI for years and who has been in a position to assure them of its utter unimportance. His activity in England has instead been to translate and comment on the texts of Cardan [Cornelius Castoriadis], the thinker who presided over the collapse of Socialisme ou Barbarie in France. Pallis knows quite well that we have for a long time pointed out Cardan's undeniable regression toward revolutionary nothingness, his swallowing of every sort of academic fashion and his ending up becoming indistinguishable from an ordinary sociologist. But Pallis has brought Cardan's thought to England like the light that arrives on Earth from stars that have already long burned out — by presenting his least decomposed texts, written years before, and never mentioning the author's subsequent regression. It is thus easy to see why he would like to prevent this type of encounter."
( from Internationale Situationniste #11, p. 64 )
In this exceptional moment the Stalinists — admirably imitated in this hypocrisy by the semileftist sociologists (cf. Coudray in La Brèche, Éditions du Seuil, 1968) — though usually of such a contrary opinion, suddenly feigned an extraordinary respect for the competence of the workers, for their wise “decision,” presented with the most fantastic cynicism as having been clearly debated, voted in full knowledge of the facts and absolutely unequivocal: for once the workers supposedly knew what they wanted because “they did not want a revolution”! But all the obstacles and muzzles and lies that the panic-stricken bureaucrats resorted to in the face of this supposed unwillingness of the workers constitutes the best proof of their real will, unarmed but dangerous. It is only by forgetting the historical totality of the movement of modern society that one can blather on in this circular positivism, which thinks it sees a rationality everywhere in the existing order because it raises its “science” to the point of successively considering that order from the side of the demand and the side of the response. Thus the same Coudray [pseudonym of Cornelius Castoriadis] notes, “If you have these unions, a raise of 5% is the most you can get, and if 5% is what you want, these unions suffice.” Leaving aside the question of their intentions in relation to their real life and their interests, what all these gentlemen lack at the very least is dialectics.
( from The Beginning of an Era
Ha ha those are pretty funny.
Nice one Felix Frost! I bet LR thought he wasn't going to have to cough up
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Post of the year. That was excellent. £10 for you then, John. I'll Paypal it tonight.
(P.S. Don't let JDMF know about these, you might give him some tips)
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Kerching. Thank you Felix.
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But by the end of the decade, Castoriadis had quit academia to lead a curious double life. As Cornelius Castoriadis, he worked as a professional economist, crunching numbers at the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. Meanwhile, adopting a number of aliases, he developed one of the most influential bodies of political thought to emerge from the non-Communist left over the last half century. Mr. Castoriadis's covert writings helped to rally France's beleaguered anti-Stalinist left in the fifties and to inspire the spectacular Paris revolt of 1968.
I wouldn't argue with the notion that Castoriadis was a non-communist. Was he to communism's left or right? (Note: I've cheekily changed the case of the "c")
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"yo man your derive is like totally off course bro you are like totally not creatin a fuckin sutuation. yeah and YO MAMA could make a fuckin detournement better than you, fuckin bauhaus twat"
how's that for a situationist insult 8)
as i recall, "imbecile" comes up a lot.







Who was i talking to the other week abother whether or not Debord was in S.o.B. or not?