The British monarchy, does anybody really give a toss?

Submitted by madashell on 20 February, 2007 - 22:55.

Got to thinking of this because of Prince Charles' plan to visit Toxteth in a couple of months.

Don't we have better things to do than harrangue some irrelevant toffs? What's the point in organising against the monarchy these days?

20 February, 2007 - 23:00

The Queen has pretty awful dress sense, I'd organise against that.

21 February, 2007 - 07:17

Maybe try and get them all shiped to Iraq

21 February, 2007 - 08:21
madashell wrote:
What's the point in organising against the monarchy these days?

word.

i mean they can probably even escape a post-revolutionary lynching if we stick them in some form of zoo for public entertainment.

21 February, 2007 - 10:44
madashell wrote:
What's the point in organising against the monarchy these days?

Being involved in a protest against the Queens visit to Colchester was, I thik, the worst thing CAG/CSG ever did.

It was funny as fuck tho. Just, absolutly nothing to do with class struggle whatsoever.

If we'd just concentrated on how the security had shut down half the campus soon before exams (it was a major theme, but really should have been the only one) it might not have been so bad, but as it was, it just helped to show how fucking worthless and irrelevant anarchists were to any practical concerns - especially bad for us as that was explicitly what we were trying to get away from.

21 February, 2007 - 13:56

Hi

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Don't we have better things to do than harrangue some irrelevant toffs?

The 14 Million a year Charles extracts from Cornwall is hardly "irrelevant", given the starvation level wages endured by the working class in that part of the world. Average wage of 22K? Not in Cornwall it ain't.

Love

LR

21 February, 2007 - 15:32
Lazy Riser wrote:
The 14 Million a year Charles extracts from Cornwall is hardly "irrelevant", given the starvation level wages endured by the working class in that part of the world. Average wage of 22K? Not in Cornwall it ain't.

Well it goes without saying that it's different if you're directly employed by them, that's hardly the point.

21 February, 2007 - 15:45

I figured he was talking about land ownership, or possibly taxpayer issues...

21 February, 2007 - 15:54
John. wrote:
I figured he was talking about land ownership or possibly taxpayer issues...

Wouldn't know about land ownership, but from a taxpayer point of view, MPs, Lords and high up council execs are more of a concern, surely?

21 February, 2007 - 15:55
madashell wrote:
John. wrote:
I figured he was talking about land ownership or possibly taxpayer issues...

Wouldn't know about land ownership, but from a taxpayer point of view, MPs, Lords and high up council execs are more of a concern, surely?

Yes of course. And the military, police force, prison system, etc.

21 February, 2007 - 16:00
John. wrote:
Yes of course. And the military, police force, prison system, etc.

Well yes, but we don't go round picketting airports every time a Prison warder decides to take a trip to Malaga.

21 February, 2007 - 16:03

Isn't the Crown the largest land owner in Britian?

Its been a while since I read the Rich at Play, might be worth putting the library?

21 February, 2007 - 16:13

iirc, the Forestry commission is the biggest landowner.

21 February, 2007 - 16:23
madashell wrote:
John. wrote:
Yes of course. And the military, police force, prison system, etc.

Well yes, but we don't go round picketting airports every time a Prison warder decides to take a trip to Malaga.

That's because you're in a shit organisation that doesn't do anything.

21 February, 2007 - 17:31
Jack wrote:
the Forestry commission is the biggest landowner.

But thats crap land.

21 February, 2007 - 17:38

I can't say I'm up for protesting against the monarchy.I think it would be more practical to wait till the revolution and kill them.

21 February, 2007 - 17:39

You can say what you like about the bolshies but when it came to the royal family they had the right idea.

21 February, 2007 - 18:13

Actually the Bolsheviks wanted to put the Tsar on trial, with Trotsky as prosecutor. Their execution was mandated and carried out by a local soldiers soviet when they were afraid that they would get rescued by the Whites.

21 February, 2007 - 19:05

Some half royal came to our school to wave at us as she driven past in her limosuine while the kids assembled outside to cheer or whatever was expected. I stayed inside and did my homework. cool

21 February, 2007 - 19:28

Hi

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Well it goes without saying that it's different if you're directly employed by them, that's hardly the point.

The money is extracted in the form of "commercial rent" as it happens. The Royal Family are figureheads of the status quo. People who advocate their execution are better than people who don’t.

Having said that, I think Sting and Geldof should be executed too. And Bono. Everyone should have a celebrity hitlist.

Love

LR

21 February, 2007 - 19:32
Lazy Riser wrote:
The money is extracted in the form of "commercial rent" as it happens.

Do you usually protest when somebody else's landlord comes to town?

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The Royal Family are figureheads of the status quo.

Well I don't know what it's like where you are, but here in 2007, they aren't in any real sense.

21 February, 2007 - 19:43

Hi

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Do you usually protest when somebody else's landlord comes to town?

Certainly not, and I wouldn’t in this situation either. I'd happily see him offed though. It would make my day a lot better. I pissed myself when Diana died, I was fucking loving it.

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Well I don't know what it's like where you are, but here in 2007, they aren't in any real sense.

They brand a fair number of social institutions. The police for one. Regicide's not for the squeamish, but if you’re that way inclined, I won’t put up obstacles. Topping royals is difficult enough without anarchists discouraging it. Typical behaviour though.

Love

LR

21 February, 2007 - 20:15
Lazy Riser wrote:
Hi

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Do you usually protest when somebody else's landlord comes to town?

Certainly not, and I wouldn’t in this situation either. I'd happily see him offed though. It would make my day a lot better. I pissed myself when Diana died, I was fucking loving it.

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Well I don't know what it's like where you are, but here in 2007, they aren't in any real sense.

They brand a fair number of social institutions. The police for one. Regicide's not for the squeamish, but if you’re that way inclined, I won’t put up obstacles. Topping royals is difficult enough without anarchists discouraging it. Typical behaviour though.

I wouldn't exactly be crying if they were all executed, that's not the point here. The point I'm making is that there's little or no point organising specifically against the institution of the monarchy or treating the royals any differently to any other big employer or landowner.

As for the police and similar licensed Royal Family products, I wouldn't be a big fan of them if they were endorsed by the Democratic Republic of Great Britain, personally.

What do we have to gain from protesting outside Toxteth Town Hall over Prince Charles being there? And if we've nothing to gain from it, why do it?

21 February, 2007 - 20:18
Lazy Riser wrote:
Having said that, I think Sting and Geldof should be executed too. And Bono. Everyone should have a celebrity hitlist.

Fine, but can I have Joel Pott?

21 February, 2007 - 20:21
Grace wrote:
The Queen has pretty awful dress sense, I'd organise against that.

i'd go to a protest against those awful hats.

21 February, 2007 - 21:12

Hi

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there's little or no point organising specifically against the institution of the monarchy or treating the royals any differently to any other big employer or landowner.

Oh I don’t know. Organising against any of it has been a bit hit-or-miss since the good lord only knows. It might pay-off to do something “different”.

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As for the police and similar licensed Royal Family products, I wouldn't be a big fan of them if they were endorsed by the Democratic Republic of Great Britain, personally.

In which case feel free to advocate the murder of the President or whatever, in the meantime threats to kill royals are overwhelmingly positive things.

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What do we have to gain from protesting outside Toxteth Town Hall over Prince Charles being there?

Nothing. But then there is nothing to gain from protesting in general.

Love

LR

21 February, 2007 - 21:16

Is no-one going to comment on my story of a heroic teenager's epic struggle against the monarchy?

sad

Well fuck you all!

*goes off to write screenplay*

21 February, 2007 - 21:25

It stopped being cool the second you said you sat indoors and did your homework tongue

21 February, 2007 - 21:29

It's not supposed to be cool, it's supposed to be real maaaan.

22 February, 2007 - 00:58

When the Queen came to lunch at my college last summer I specifically organised to have a tutorial at the time when we were all supposed to go and cheer, so Refused is really very cool by comparison.

22 February, 2007 - 08:47
Lazy Riser wrote:
Everyone should have a celebrity hitlist.

Everyone does, although there's going to be a bit of a scrum over who gets Branson. I think I'm the only person annoyed enough about Andrew Marr to be on that queue though.