The Thinking Nurse's Challenge To Anarchists

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Max
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Jan 13 2005 15:37
The Thinking Nurse's Challenge To Anarchists

Are there any takers for the 'Thinking Nurse's' challenge to anarchists?

The challenge is issued here: http://thinkingnurse.blogspot.com/2004/12/charter-for-human-caring-in-nursing.html

Basically it asks for a simple explanation of how a modern and effective healthcare system could be organised and funded in a stateless society.

Any takers?

Lazlo_Woodbine
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Jan 13 2005 16:19

Here's what I wrote on the blog -- before I realised Max was the nurse.

Cheers

Laz

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Hi Max -- I'm not normally a blogger but I'm interested in the question you've raised. I think that an anarchist society -- one that is based on co-operation and communalising resources -- could still have a very efficient and well run health service.

In brief -- allocation of resources and organisation in general can be conducted by mutual consent and horizontally along a network, rather than allocated by political or professional specialists at the top.

Such a network would be run by patients, local residents, as well as the people who work in it -- take the fast disappearing Community Health Councils and multiply them and stick the trades unions in and you'll see what I mean. Self-management is at the core of anarchist ideals, A co-operative run along these lines could exist within a liberal or socialist world as well without the need for an overall 'anarchist society' as well; I think we can agree that the more self-management an insitution involves the better it is, whatever the overall society.

I don't think that people need the incentive of differential wages to want to educate themselves in healing or devote their time to caring. A communist society is one in which everyhing is 'free' and everyone works for 'free' -- there is no means tests, and no metering. For this to work properly, all production and work has to be done within a wider society where everyone is sharing goods and services. Any resources that remain scarce could be allocated by general agreement.

So a well-resourced health care system would involve hubs (clinics, A+E departments, Laing-style communes etc) that existed within a general network of resource sharing -- and I bet that any community/workplace coulcil would have these hubs pretty high on their list of priorities, so these hubs would get all the support they wanted.

These are just a few -- rather utopian -- thoughts. If you want to talk about specifics let me know which ones. Or you could sign up to www.enrager.net/forums or www.u75.org and continue the debate there with the various anarchist thinkers (myself included) who post there.

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Jan 13 2005 23:45

Alright Max, welcome to the boards 8)

I only know one qualified anarchist nurse in London, if you were interested in talking to them I could probably put you in touch smile

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Jan 14 2005 10:34

SolFed (anarchist group) have quite a well organised local in Lancashire, you could try contacting them if you want a face to face discussion on the subject? They've got a couple of very clued up people round Preston.

email: lancashiresolfed@hotmail.com

Web: http://www.solfed.org.uk

tel/fax: 01772 734130

Max
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Jan 14 2005 15:06

Thanks for the replies, the challenge seems to have generated a very healthy discussion at the blogsite.

Steve
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Jan 14 2005 17:13
Saii wrote:
SolFed (anarchist group) have quite a well organised local in Lancashire, you could try contacting them if you want a face to face discussion on the subject? They've got a couple of very clued up people round Preston.

email: lancashiresolfed@hotmail.com

Web: http://www.solfed.org.uk

tel/fax: 01772 734130

More up-to-date contact details are prestonsolfed@boltblue.com

Another phone number is 07736013216

I'll try to have a look at your blog over the weekend. We have a member who works in the NHS as a therapist with people with learning disabilities and another contact who is a support worker. If you want a chat get in touch.

Max
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Jan 16 2005 18:44

Isnt the internet amazing! Those '6 degrees of separation' have evaporated in the virtual heat.

I already know Steve, he is someone I like and respect.

Thanks to everyone who posted messages at the site. There is a very healthy discussion going on.

Freire said there are no novices or experts, only people learning about the world together, I think there is nothing like a good discussion/debate, approached properly by all sides. as a method of learning for all concerned. I am certainly gaining a lot from reading the ideas you guys are posting at my blog.