Are vaccinations bad? And homeopathy.

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Dec 1 2006 14:33
revol68 wrote:
you souless fuck!

are some people not soulless now then? essentialist! angry

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Dec 1 2006 15:04
revol68 wrote:
possessed by Gurrier

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unable to grasp metaphor

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You soulless fuck!

Tagline!

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Dec 1 2006 16:33
Caiman del Barrio wrote:
a trend of using chequered old lady's shopping bags.

Oh my. YES! smile) Does anyone know where I can buy one from?

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Dec 1 2006 16:55
Caiman del Barrio wrote:
I think it means baggy jeans, a tight t-shirt (or a button up shirt) and a short, sub-emo haircut (probably with a bunch of shit colours in it).

Hmmm you're not really just pissed off cos you fancy someone just like that and she happens to be a lesbian are you? grin

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Bitch, I have an issue with most things. Lesbians don't get a special category of hate. Right now I'm especially down on ... electroclash

Sorry mate you're about 5 years late on that one.

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Dec 1 2006 17:24

Nah turns out the girl that we discussed in that pub on Brick Lane was a moron anyway. She's OK to talk to but she's a nauseating knowitall and bosses' kissass. And all I said was that she was cute, and you pretty emphatically agreed if I remember rightly.

Her and her clique did partially inspire this particular tangent though.

Man, I hope Zobag doesn't see this.

RE: electroclash. I've somehow ended up at both of my SU's brand new electroclash nights. It is fucking awful. Seriously, what utter pricks. I don't even wanna talk about it.

RE: old lady's shopping bags. You can get them in hell, where purveyors of such junk are going.

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Dec 2 2006 14:05
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edit - double post.

and to add, why do you think it's "soulless" to not define your personal relationships in terms of traditional roles?

using partner is not untraditional it's just a phrase that reeks of boardrooms.

Of souless calculation, a rational choice based on weighing up various factors.

Boyfriend and Girlfriend hardly literally mean you are children, and even if it has undercurrents of that what's the problem, why this constant need to be taken "seriously" to be "professional", a bit of child like impulse and passion isn't exactly a bad thing.

soulless calculation = rational decision making?
weighing up factors = soulless?

on the need to be taken seriously. well, thats a big issue isnt it. because im atheist, and because im feminist, i will not be getting married. that comes with legal impliations, especially because we have children together.

an example to illustrate why i think being taken seriously is important, in the context of relationships.

one of my friends died a few years ago. he was engaged and was living with a woman with whom he was completely in love, and she him. they shared their lives. they were partners.

however, when he died, because they were unmarried, and still fairly young (mid twenties), she was relegated to status of "girlfriend", ie, they werent married so they werent in that serious a relationship. what this meant is that it was his mum who organised and made decisions about his funeral, despite her not being close to him at all. she decided where it would be, who would be invited, what music would play, who would speak. his partner was a bystander to the whole process, and that wasnt helped by the fact she was totally devastated and couldnt stand up for herself. his stuff was "collected". afaik noone helped her with the rent etc that she was having to find, now that she was on her own. cards and flowers went to his mum.

i think it is very important to realise that just because people aren't in a conventional het two person marriage, doesnt mean they aren't partners sharing their lives. and the language we use to describe and define our relationships is important.

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Dec 2 2006 18:37

In the interests of scientific even-handedness...

New Scientist, "13 things that do not make sense"

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4 Belfast homeopathy results

MADELEINE Ennis, a pharmacologist at Queen's University, Belfast, was the scourge of homeopathy. She railed against its claims that a chemical remedy could be diluted to the point where a sample was unlikely to contain a single molecule of anything but water, and yet still have a healing effect. Until, that is, she set out to prove once and for all that homeopathy was bunkum.

In her most recent paper, Ennis describes how her team looked at the effects of ultra-dilute solutions of histamine on human white blood cells involved in inflammation. These "basophils" release histamine when the cells are under attack. Once released, the histamine stops them releasing any more. The study, replicated in four different labs, found that homeopathic solutions - so dilute that they probably didn't contain a single histamine molecule - worked just like histamine. Ennis might not be happy with the homeopaths' claims, but she admits that an effect cannot be ruled out.

So how could it happen? Homeopaths prepare their remedies by dissolving things like charcoal, deadly nightshade or spider venom in ethanol, and then diluting this "mother tincture" in water again and again. No matter what the level of dilution, homeopaths claim, the original remedy leaves some kind of imprint on the water molecules. Thus, however dilute the solution becomes, it is still imbued with the properties of the remedy.

You can understand why Ennis remains sceptical. And it remains true that no homeopathic remedy has ever been shown to work in a large randomised placebo-controlled clinical trial. But the Belfast study (Inflammation Research, vol 53, p 181) suggests that something is going on. "We are," Ennis says in her paper, "unable to explain our findings and are reporting them to encourage others to investigate this phenomenon." If the results turn out to be real, she says, the implications are profound: we may have to rewrite physics and chemistry.

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Dec 2 2006 20:03

have you all seen those books about messages in water? im skeptical myself, its all very odd. some of the pictures are pretty though.

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Dec 3 2006 10:43

"odd" in the sense of utter hippy bollocks, yes.

arf
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Dec 3 2006 21:10

do you reckon theyre shamelessly making it up or that they really believe in it?

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Dec 3 2006 21:18
arf wrote:
do you reckon theyre shamelessly making it up or that they really believe in it?

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Dec 20 2006 14:49
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RE: old lady's shopping bags. You can get them in hell, where purveyors of such junk are going.

I got one in Colchester yesterday cool

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Dec 20 2006 14:55

i got one at a table top sale here quite recently, a patchwork one made by the woman who sold it to me, and i love it. grin