Violence agaist scabs.
Oct 16 2007 18:40
Drawbacks and merits please?
[Or Trotskyists even, if you're like that].
Oct 16 2007 20:01
#2
Wow 
eta myself fwiw, it reminds me of social democracy. all that oppurtunist thugery
even when internationalist 
Oct 16 2007 20:44
#3
MJ wrote:
It's only necessary because hell doesn't exist.
Now you're my favourite american poster.
Oct 16 2007 20:49
#4
Have you thought about it - where does this violence in you come from?
Oct 16 2007 21:02
#5
Reading Sorel?
Oct 16 2007 21:04
#6
There's a common misconcpetion about him i forget what 
eta it may have just been a misconcpetion of mine... he was an admirer of mousillini no? and non-marxist leninist? 
Oct 16 2007 21:08
#7
No wait, I just remembered it was there before too.
So what do ETA have to do with this?
Oct 16 2007 21:09
#8
MJ wrote:
No wait, I just remembered it was there before too.So what do ETA have to do with this?
that's totally gone over my head there.
Oct 16 2007 21:12
#9
Are you bizzarely lying about nothing MJ
Oct 16 2007 21:18
#10
lem wrote:
eta myself fwiw,
Oct 16 2007 21:26
#11
edited to add, dinguses
Oct 16 2007 21:30
#12
i thought, well it doesn't matter language can be obscene sometimes 
Oct 16 2007 21:31
#13
MJ wrote:
No wait, I just remembered it was there before too.So what do ETA have to do with this?
Seeing national liberation everywhere eh?
Oct 16 2007 21:32
#14
I don't see why it's considered OK in some circles to blithely accuse others of lying.
eta: or imply that comrades are pro-Fascist.
Oct 16 2007 21:34
#15
better to keep stum incase you upset the boss
eta that impiication was not made by me, i was suggesting more protofascist 
Oct 17 2007 01:28
#16
I like to think Lem's a bit like Ozzy Osbourne reading Hegel.
EDIT: he's definitely more interesting than the other acid casualties I know, who basically indulge in misanthropy and drunken racism.
Oct 17 2007 01:32
#17
i took acid like twice.
Oct 17 2007 01:34
#18
I have a tab in my drawer right now some psytrancer from Tijuana gave me. When should I take it Lem?
Oct 17 2007 01:52
#19
don't.
Oct 17 2007 02:06
#20
lem wrote:
i took acid like twice.
you are legally crazy in the states.
Oct 17 2007 04:14
#21
To get back to the OP. Violence agaist scabs.
Merits:
- is funny
- if you hurt a scab, it negatively affects productivity, even if they make it in
- makes people be afraid to scab
Drawbacks:
- you might get caught by the police and be in trouble
- scab wages might go up (short term problem)
That's about it.
Oct 17 2007 05:45
#22
MJ wrote:
To get back to the OP. Violence agaist scabs.Merits:
- is funny
You have a very different sense of humour to me.
Devrim
Oct 17 2007 11:16
#23
x357997 wrote:
lem wrote:
i took acid like twice.you are legally crazy in the states.
He's legally crazy everywhere. Acid is for cunts.
Oct 17 2007 11:41
#24
Devrim wrote:
You have a very different sense of humour to me.
You don't have sense of humor. You didn't even find revol's impersonation of mmagid funny.
Oct 17 2007 12:01
#25
Rata wrote:
You don't have sense of humor.
Rata, this came up after I mentioned the worst piece of violence I had seen against a scab (somebody having his eye taken out by a coal chisel). It was pretty horrific. I wasn't laughing at the time. We don't condemn workers who commit acts like these, but neither do we glorify in them, or try to turn them into a Tarantino film.
Devrim
Oct 17 2007 14:39
#26
The scabbing must have been fairly extreme to deserve being blinded in one eye. The only thing I could imagine that would deserve a reprisal like this was being a proven agent of the bosses. I don't think violence against scabs ever solved anything. If workers can only be persuaded to extend solidarity out of fear, then it's not solidarity at all.
Oct 17 2007 15:27
#27
Devrim wrote:
Rata, this came up after I mentioned the worst piece of violence I had seen against a scab (somebody having his eye taken out by a coal chisel). It was pretty horrific. I wasn't laughing at the time. We don't condemn workers who commit acts like these, but neither do we glorify in them, or try to turn them into a Tarantino film.
Nail. Head.
Oct 17 2007 15:30
#28
although reservoir dogs would arguably been better if the discussion on tipping was a discussion of chiselling scabs, but i digress, it's not funny.
Oct 17 2007 15:45
#29
Devrim wrote:
Rata wrote:
You don't have sense of humor.Rata, this came up after I mentioned the worst piece of violence I had seen against a scab (somebody having his eye taken out by a coal chisel). It was pretty horrific. I wasn't laughing at the time. We don't condemn workers who commit acts like these, but neither do we glorify in them, or try to turn them into a Tarantino film.
Well, as we see revolutionary violence as our method of struggle, you could say that we are glorifying beating of scabs. If by glorifying you understand standing by our method. The fact that you witnessed scab being beaten up doesn’t prove that you have sense of humor which was inhibited by the scene, on contrary; it is one more proof that you are lacking it. I saw many nasty things in Serbia in last 15 years, including people being melted by the bombs, but I still can make fun about that, because I do have a sense of humor. Every other approach to the fun in getting scabs beaten up is just petit bourgeoisie moralizing.
Oct 17 2007 19:01
#30
Revolutionary violence, execpt not in a revolution you mean. or revolutionary.
I stand somewhere between devrim and demorgoron on this, i think. It's difficult to criticise either of them, but the rest of you well you just sound like terrorists.
It's only necessary because hell doesn't exist.