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Oct 23 2006 19:51
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This was mentioned only in passing on a Yahoo news article. The media should have made a very big deal about this, IMO. Bush was quoted as saying,
"I'll stay in Iraq even if the only support I have left is from my wife and my dog."
And the media accused John Stewart (The Daily Show) of being a threat to democracy, for exercising his freedom of speech - but an ELECTED LEADER can get away with saying THAT?! Which seems more like a threat to democracy?

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Oct 23 2006 21:16

Jeez, I feel like I'm being ignored.

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Oct 23 2006 21:23

How about:

"I lied to get into office" http://libcom.org/news/budapest-protests-grow-as-politicians-manoeuvre-24092006

I don't think anyone's surprised by anything Bush says any more.

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Oct 23 2006 21:28
Mike Harman wrote:
I don't think anyone's surprised by anything Bush says any more.

Or what politicans say generally.

Its pretty ineffectual.

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Oct 23 2006 23:09

All I can think is, "Where is the outrage?" Are people really that daft?

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Oct 24 2006 04:04
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All I can think is, "Where is the outrage?"

Hi Mrs M. I would actually be more surprised if there was outrage. I mean its pretty normal behavior.

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Oct 24 2006 05:42

nothing would happen.. some newspapers would salute some very few might critizise .. and the masses would go to work next day talking about the latest celeb gossip and who got a facelift......

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Oct 24 2006 09:33
madhatterz wrote:
nothing would happen.. some newspapers would salute some very few might critizise .. and the masses would go to work next day talking about the latest celeb gossip and who got a facelift......

Stoopid masses, if only they'd listen to you, eh? roll eyes

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Oct 24 2006 09:37
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All I can think is, "Where is the outrage?" Are people really that daft?

It's more the logic of the sentence that's outrageous. If you take him literally, it means he'll go stay in Iraq, possibly with his immediate family, all by himself. I for one would be quite pleased if he did this.

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Oct 24 2006 12:30

Yeah, I considered shipping a one way ticket each for him, Mrs. Bush, and the dog.

Would the French put up with a comment like that? I'm asking because I really don't know. From what I understand about the French, they'd throw their TVs out the window in protest if something like that was said. But, since I'm not French, I don't know for sure.

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Oct 24 2006 12:45

isnt it more to do with the fact that people dont expect anything but lies, spin and anti-democratic actions from politicians? Parliament is bankrupt and everyone knows it.

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Oct 24 2006 12:47

I guess my feeling is just because I'm not surprised doesn't mean I shouldn't be angry.

Was anyone surprised when Jack THe Ripper took another victim? Probably not. Did that mean that the people were any less frightened?

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Oct 24 2006 12:59

Making comparisons between politicians and Jack the Ripper is completely apt and I hope there'll be more.

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Oct 24 2006 13:06

and surely the point is that being surprised doesn't really achieve very much.

it's only when that surprise is able to manifest itself in the form of an organized effective response that it is worth talking about. the only feasible response at the moment is through an electoral defeat. Seeing as Bush is already in his last term, he doesn't really have much to worry about on that.

the most concerning thing, then, is surely the complete inability of the population to do anything about a leader that is clearly completely out of touch with the people he is ruling over. - not so much the leader himself.

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Oct 24 2006 14:41
mrsmaintenance wrote:
Would the French put up with a comment like that?

Maybe, Chirac's presidential immunity is the only thing stopping him being put on trial for embezzlement. They seem to accept it.