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Working class and middle class from a cultural perspective

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yuda
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Feb 8 2007 07:41
Working class and middle class from a cultural perspective

I'm interested in looking at the different cultural values between working class and middle class.

What I'm especially interested in is the promotion of middle class values by the media and advertising interests to prominently working class people.

Is anyone aware of anything I should be reading with this in mind?

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Feb 8 2007 09:38

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Anderson's "The Enemy is Middle Class". I wish they'd put it online.

http://www.openlyclassist.org.uk/contain.html

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Feb 8 2007 10:05

Aufheben's 'The Housing Question' discusses 'middle class values' (aspirant/social climbing, individualistic) in relation to different forms of home ownership in the UK, seeing such values more corresponding to material conditions than propaganda (media/advertising promotion etc).

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Feb 8 2007 10:54

Hi

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Anderson's "The Enemy is Middle Class"

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it's one of the worst books ever written.

You’ve obviously not read “Anarchist” by Ian Bone then. Ha ha. It’s been a long time since I read “The Enemy...”, but I’ve fond memories of it.

Now may be a timely point for one of my habitual references to Veblen’s Theory of the Leisure Class...

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_the_Leisure_Class
Whereas classical economics defines humans as rational, utility-seeking people who try to maximize their pleasure, Veblen recast them as completely irrational creatures who chase after social status without much regard to their own happiness.

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Feb 8 2007 23:13
Joseph K. wrote:
Aufheben's 'The Housing Question' discusses 'middle class values' (aspirant/social climbing, individualistic) in relation to different forms of home ownership in the UK, seeing such values more corresponding to material conditions than propaganda (media/advertising promotion etc).

Thanks, that sounds like to sort of thing I am looking for

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Feb 9 2007 11:49
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Core White Middle Class Values
• Importance of individualism and privacy
• Belief in the equality of all individuals
• Informality in interactions with others
• Emphasis on the future, change, and progress
• Belief in the general goodness of humanity
• Emphasis on the importance of time and punctuality
• High regard for achievement, action, work, and materialism
• Pride in interactional styles that are direct and assertive
“When aware of cultural bias, White middle-class rehabilitation counselors
may perceive these as universal values.”
Roessler, Richard T., and Stanford E. Rubin; Case Management and
Rehabilitation Counseling. Pro-Ed publishing, Austin Texas, 1998 (P. 185)

http://www.rfw.org/RehabConference/2006/Sessions/26_CrossCultural_Hedenb...

apparently

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Feb 9 2007 11:56

whereas

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SOME GENERAL VALUES OF WORKING CLASS CULTURE
[These are some observations of general cultural values and tendencies,
and are not meant to be cultural stereotypes but recognitions.]
1. COMMUNICATION: To the Point
Direct (even blunt), sometimes impassioned, accepts arguing
Functional (not reflective)
Story Telling--Passing on values, history
Speak the truth (Yet keep it in the family)
Humor--Laugh to survive--Getting Down to it

2. FAMILY: Blood Ties
Support each other
Stay close to home
Parental rule--Often Patriarchy
Persistence and Ingenuity: Making do--Getting by
Sacrifice

3. COMMUNITY: Neighborhood
Mutual Respect and Cooperation
Democratic & Egalitarian--
Treat others fairly, especially the "little guy"
Often denial and anger
Difficulty is seeing multiple perspectives

4. WORK ETHIC: Work as fabric of life
Providing for family
Hard work and Follow through
Respect for tools & maintenance
Having a good job
Functional & Practical--Getting things done
Time is money--Work sets schedule

5. EDUCATION: Get One
Value basic education--
as a means of achieving "a good life"
as a means of achieving "freedom of choice
But not too much education-- "Don't forget where you came from."

http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/lsmithdog/bottomdog/WCValuespost.htm

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Feb 9 2007 12:09
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what the fuck is this mad shit all about?

It means that whoever wrote it read Max Weber and thought, "Fuck it, that'll do."

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Feb 9 2007 12:14

the nuance is in missing the point wink

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Feb 9 2007 13:10
yuda wrote:
Joseph K. wrote:
Aufheben's 'The Housing Question' discusses 'middle class values' (aspirant/social climbing, individualistic) in relation to different forms of home ownership in the UK, seeing such values more corresponding to material conditions than propaganda (media/advertising promotion etc).

Thanks, that sounds like to sort of thing I am looking for

Yeah, that stike a chord with my experience. Will read that.

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Feb 10 2007 07:56
Lazy Riser wrote:
Hi

Anderson's "The Enemy is Middle Class". I wish they'd put it online.

http://www.openlyclassist.org.uk/contain.html

Love

LR

Good choice Lazy.

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Feb 10 2007 15:26

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Good choice Lazy.

Ho ho. Thanks. To be honest, I find the Homocult etc stuff really difficult to get on with. So have mixed feelings about it over all.

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Feb 11 2007 12:04
revol68 wrote:
the button wrote:
revol68 wrote:
what the fuck is this mad shit all about?

It means that whoever wrote it read Max Weber and thought, "Fuck it, that'll do."

Max Weber: A lesson in how to miss the point, reify Marx and yet have undergrads taught that your theory is more nuanced.

I fail to see what the above "class analysis" has to do with Max Weber, though.