Who are Workers Power?

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Sidney Huffman
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Jul 29 2010 22:49
Who are Workers Power?

I got a magazine from Workers Power today - who are they? I admit I've not been involved in politics for some years and I've not heard of this group. I've seen their website but does anyone know what they're like irl?

No agenda here just curious.

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Jul 30 2010 16:55

They are a pretty orthodox Trotskyist group, which originally came out of the SWP. Their 'original' feature is calling for a 5th international as opposed to reforming the 4th.

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Jul 30 2010 17:29

and their economic predictions

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Jul 30 2010 19:34
oisleep wrote:
and their economic predictions

Pray tell.

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Jul 30 2010 20:42

Cheers.

Went to a thing about the cuts and one of the speakers was from workers power and he was very good to be fair.

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Jul 30 2010 21:46
Devrim wrote:
oisleep wrote:
and their economic predictions

Pray tell.

Devrim

In 2003 Workers Power believed we were something on par to a pre-revolutionary period. And on that basis they launched the League for the Fifth International. Their splinter group Permeant Revolution document some of the turns.

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The 2003 Congress of the LFI decided that globalisation had exhausted all of its economic potential, that world capitalism had entered a phase of stagnation and that the political situation could be characterised as a worldwide "pre revolutionary period". The IF [Internal Faction] challenged this view, arguing that world capitalism was benefiting from the collapse of the Stalinist states and the consequent opening up whole new markets and cheap labour for imperialist exploitation in China, Central Europe and Russia.
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Central to the 2003 Congress perspective was the idea that the "flowering of the anti-capitalist movement", marking the new pre-revolutionary period, made the founding of a new Fifth International an immediate prospect. It meant "forming the new International as soon as possible - not in the distant future but in months or years". The vehicle for this became the World Social Forum and its regional bodies, like the ESF, and a local social forum movement modelled on Italy. This was where "important elements of the new International were taking shape".

From past experience they have had a penchant for over emphasising the crisis within capitalism and trying to recruit aggressively from the anti-capitalist movement. Otherwise as Devrim states, they are a run of the mill trot group although strangely, a vast improvement over their parent organisation.

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Jul 30 2010 21:56
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In 2003 Workers Power believed we were something on par to a pre-revolutionary period. And on that basis they launched the League for the Fifth International.

I can remember them with little badges with a five on back in the mid 80s though. It was always their thing even if they hadn't decided to declare it then.

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Jul 30 2010 22:14

I always thought in the 80s the "Fifth International" was the conference of socialist economists who used to meet in Edinburgh.

Personally I think they may be onto something about capitalism's current crisis being one that changes things and globalisation having run its course, I'm just not optimistic that it will lead to a fresh revolutionary wave.

Regards,

Martin

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Jul 30 2010 22:30

I don't think globalisation has run it's course just yet, but I agree that the current crisis will change things.

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Jul 30 2010 23:42

I can't remember, did the young ones in Workers Power chuck out the oldies who formed Permanent Revolution, or was Permanent Revolution a split by the young ones themselves?

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Jul 30 2010 23:47

The young ones in WP chucked out the older ones who formed PR. I think the younger ones were more gung-ho on there being loads of revolutionary potential post Seattle.

Regards,

Martin

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Jul 30 2010 23:53

Thanks Martin, I thought it was that way 'round but been a few years now.

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Aug 1 2010 07:47
martinh wrote:
I always thought in the 80s the "Fifth International" was the conference of socialist economists who used to meet in Edinburgh.

No, I can remember them from Wapping. They were definitely into a '5th' back then even. There might have been academics in Edinburgh too though.

martinh wrote:
The young ones in WP chucked out the older ones who formed PR. I think the younger ones were more gung-ho on there being loads of revolutionary potential post Seattle.

Which sounds sort of logical.

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Aug 2 2010 11:47
martinh wrote:
I always thought in the 80s the "Fifth International" was the conference of socialist economists who used to meet in Edinburgh.

Personally I think they may be onto something about capitalism's current crisis being one that changes things and globalisation having run its course, I'm just not optimistic that it will lead to a fresh revolutionary wave.

Regards,

Martin

No the Edinburgh CSE, who published Common Sense were very different. They were the people who invented Open Marxism. The main guy in them was John Holloway, others involved were Harry Cleaver, Werner Bonefeld, Simon Clarke etc. Very very different to WP.

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Aug 2 2010 15:53

their two main slogans are "workers, vote Taliban without illusions (to test them in power)" and "unconditional military (not political) support without any preconditions for the victory of the Labour Party against imperialism" and vice versa

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Aug 5 2010 13:21

Foillowing on from my comment, and via Nate, Edinburgh CSE's journal Common Sense has been put up online:

http://commonsensejournal.org.uk/about/

Oh and from here