What next?

wasnt it fairly reasonable that the 'insurrectionists' got marginalised in the latter part of the week, what kind of reaction do you think we wouldve received if we'd kicked off with the police or planned anything audacious on the 7th or after?!

It was good though, the direct democracy at stirling was really inspiring despite some difficulties. I'm just trying to collect my thoughts and recollections of what happened over the summit but once ive done so i'll post something or other.

Does anyone think that such demo's (despite the benefits) are still beneficial in the long term with regards to the amount of information the police are able to gather?

just a few points need to be made first congratulations to activists who took part in actions against the g8. people with disabilities children and their parents. also people in the kitchens

let me repeat what I said last tuesday that for people who wanted to protest in a peaceful manner that was their right. I personal have no problems with direct actions against the state remember the state uses voilence.

the issue of people doing security at the eco village gate need to be looked at do we need people stoned out of their heads on acid, mushrooms, e what would happen if there was a raid. security is a priority. a old Irish saying fish that keep their mouth shut never get caught.

neither would I condem the actions of black block political activists

End of July is much too soon. Mid/End of August beginning of September would be better. Give people time to put everything into perspective.

can i sugguest that dissent have a genereal meeting at the anarchist bookfair in October people maybe om their holidays.

That's a very good idea.

it may well have been possible but you know how trying to break through police lines wouldve ended-in a massive ruck with more arrests and more injuries-and with what happened in stirling the locals may well have happily helped the police shoe us-it would have made the media, they wouldve portrayed us as heartless yobs who just want to fight regardless of the situation in london. The police surrounding the camp were also the Met who were probably pretty pissed that they werent in london to help, so they wouldve been pretty pumped up and couldve kicked the shit out of us with little worry about any inquiry or press attention-disasterous.

I was somebody trying to stop people trying to breach police lines on Thursday for the Prisoner support demo! (or rather prevent people from mouthing off provocatively about 'fucking the police' and then running to the back had you suceeded in provoking them).

The police had overwhelming numbers. Only the most romantic dreamer amongst us would have thought we would have got more than a further 20 feet from the site, before inviting much more repression.

We would have then risked a further clampdown, and invasion of the whole campsite. You would have only provoked a riot on our own doorstep, nowhere near the citadels of power! Given the general state clampdown after the bombings, the state was in an ideal position to smash us.

Those who can not recognise this are not capeable of successfully conducting the class war. To fight a successfull class war, you need to know how and when to retreat as well as when to advance. Armies that cannot retreat are broken - they are routed instead. They are a rabble, not a victorious army of the class war.

And the person i love was held in nick for protest, along with 20 of my best mates. The van to pick them up for bail was held up by the rabble / predictably paranoid police blockade. When we got you and the coppers to back off, the vans got out.

And to some of those who abused me for trying to organise this orderly retreat. Well soon you will fuck off out of our movement and pick up your trust funds, reminiscing with your petite bourgeoise buddies about how you once were rude to a copper.

The rest of us, who are trying to sustain a class war year in and year out don't need to shoot our load in fustration at a summit spectacular, on a day when the window for effective action is passed. Stick around, be patient and you will have plenty of other, better opportunities. Duh! There, got it orf me chest! sorry if I was rude to decent and committed activists.

Generally the anti capitalist argument has been confined to a few large demos, for many, in far off cities.

In the Locale, it hardly exists, and we should remember the old addage; think global act local... turn up the volume locally....

Heres a few ideas

.... get onto your council web site , most have a public forum... challenge local politicians to a public debate on capitalism [they wont do it on the forum], invite them to the local park on a particular Sunday afternoon, they probbally wont come either, but you can, with your aurgument and with your mates, to give the people in the park a laugh and some food for thought.

Graffitti is an old favorite and if you want to do it legaly then, write it on a sheet and hang it from a flyover or at a roundabout [like the happy 50th birthday ones]

Blatantly cover up the big bill boards with your own message.

Remember the more signs of discontent around the town the more discontent will be encouraged

Create free space for everyone and inject a fusion of pure democracy into the system

.... why not set up an on line parliament..[great for setting up the right wingers into an alterative approach to politics]

. Encorage users to stand as representatives for the results of the parliament at local elections. this puts the cats among the politians and we will get local politicians representing local democracy as well as the lib, lab con. and because its a free space , its another space where we can bring the anti capitalist argument too.

Im sure if we can get a dozen or so sites up we can then get the concept [e-democracy] some media coverage which can only help snowball it. More sand in the wheels for the old school politicians and a small injection of democracy into the system. There is one on line already in the sleepy conservative town of Poole in Dorset, check it out www.pooleparliament.co.uk.

Keep plugging away locally , critical cycle masses etc. turn the back of your bike into a billboard, its a great place for a social message and the cars find it very difficult to drive around you..... dont let the preasure drop..become a living protest....

see you in Sheffield!