Persecution and threats against student activist escalate

Bahar Mustafa - Golsmiths Student's Union Welfare & Diversity Officer

A London student union officer has received death threats in a month-long campaign of harassment, after she organised a meeting for minority students.

Bahar Mustafa, 27, is the Welfare & Diversity Officer of Goldsmiths Students’ Union. Ms Mustafa organised a meeting for black and minority ethnic (BME) women and non-binary people, and asked that white people and men did not attend.

A Goldsmiths student, who is understood to have recently been a member of the xenophobic right-wing UKIP party, claimed that this was racist against white men.

The story was spun as ‘white men banned from anti-racism rally’, and subsequently picked up by student paper the Tab, the Evening Standard and Daily Mail, amongst others. Supporters of Bahar refuted the claims in a statement:

This is not, as has been suggested in the press, anti-white bigotry. Nor is it discrimination, in any sense of the word. The event in question is not a job or scholarship from which white people are barred from applying. It is an organising meeting involving just over ten people, convening to feed back into wider organising meetings.

However, the campaign against her subsequently escalated, with attempts to have Ms Mustafa - who is an elected student union officer - ‘sacked’. She has also received death threats, and has been reported to the police.

Following the media coverage, an assortment of Men’s Rights Activists, British fascists, and participants in the misogynist hate campaign gamergate descended on the twitter hashtag #SupportBaharMustafa with a torrent of abuse.

This effort to ban minorities from meeting without white men present is the latest in a wider campaign portraying left-wing and liberation movements as a totalitarian threat to ‘free speech’ on campuses. Former genocide-denying Marxist turned right-wing contrarian Spiked magazine recently published a ‘free speech ranking’ for universities, with red, amber, and green categories.

Supposed ‘threats to free speech’ which landed universities in the red category include bans on on-campus fascist activity, “zero tolerance” policies on sexual harassment, and recognition of transgender people. Sacking of elected officers for speaking freely is not mentioned.

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May 22 2015 12:29

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Georgie89
May 29 2015 16:43
kurremkarmerruk wrote:
See the book. To be honest I do not think neither party nor Ypj threats such issues very lightly as they are handled in white internet forums :)

You can support the liberation of women and not support the extremely privileged form of feminism that exists in the richest nations on earth, which is the cause of mainly middle and upper middle class white women.

Have you spoken to many kurds? When they talk to you about the UK they talk about how they dream of a Kurdish state that has freedom for women like we have lol. Follow some of the YPJ fighters online, half their posts are about how they are fighting Daesh and dream of having the same rights as our women have here.

You seem to be mistaking not supporting banning comedians for telling jokes and not agreeing with radical feminism in the first world in tantamount to not supporting equal rights under the law that the PKK are fighting for.

Tarwater
May 29 2015 16:44

This has gotten way out of hand. Shouldn't we all just take a step back here and organize out thoughts?

Georgie- I think you have really let this one get away from you, that you may be mad about some stuff that was, that kinda made sense sorta but since I made lunch you typed like 3245,1284,285,36745 words and maybe there was some stuff in there that was not 100% well thought out?

Everyone else- Why are you even arguing with this kid? it's a fucking mess!

Just so you know where I'm at...I don't want to be Bahar Mustafa's friend or start a reading group with her but neither do I think that she deserves to be chased out of her job or threatened or harassed. Is that controversial, Georgie or all those new troll accounts if you are still out there??

kurekmurek
May 29 2015 16:44

Well if you read this you will see (relatively) the revolutionary social organisation in Rojava is pretty much what Bahar might be wishing to achieve by all positive discrimination im favor of oppressed ethnicities or genders.

Georgie89
May 29 2015 16:47
autogestión wrote:
Georgie89 wrote:
This is how first world feminism has basically abandoned the only women who actually need real help. Condemn the woman of colour fighting against islamic oppression, support Bahar and suey park and their trivial nonsense.

So let me get this straight.

Helping "the woman of colour fighting against islamic oppression" = good.

Letting women of colour organise autonomously if they wish to = bad.

Have I got that right? Or are you only objecting to the hashtag?

You don't seem to listen when I say I don't care about the hashtag, it didn't offend me. What pissed so many people off is she was part of the group of SJW;s trying to have people fired for a joke. She then jokingly iuses the killallwhitemen hashtag and feminists are crying that people are trying to get her sacked.

It is the double standard, you won't acknowledge what I have actually said instead you keep going on about the hashtag lol.

Reddebrek
May 29 2015 16:50
Georgie89 wrote:
autogestión wrote:
Georgie89 wrote:
This is how first world feminism has basically abandoned the only women who actually need real help. Condemn the woman of colour fighting against islamic oppression, support Bahar and suey park and their trivial nonsense.

So let me get this straight.

Helping "the woman of colour fighting against islamic oppression" = good.

Letting women of colour organise autonomously if they wish to = bad.

Have I got that right? Or are you only objecting to the hashtag?

You don't seem to listen when I say I don't care about the hashtag, it didn't offend me. What pissed so many people off is she was part of the group of SJW;s trying to have people fired for a joke. She then jokingly iuses the killallwhitemen hashtag and feminists are crying that people are trying to get her sacked.

It is the double standard, you won't acknowledge what I have actually said instead you keep going on about the hashtag lol.

Methinks there's another double standard you seem to struggle with acknowledging matey.

autogestión
May 29 2015 16:57
You don't seem to listen when I say I don't care about the hashtag, it didn't offend me. What pissed so many people off is she was part of the group of SJW;s trying to have people fired for a joke. She then jokingly iuses the killallwhitemen hashtag and feminists are crying that people are trying to get her sacked.

But the whole reason she's even in the public eye is that she organised a meeting where white men weren't allowed to attend. If it weren't for that no one outside her university would even know who she is. This is the whole reason she is under attack.

Is it not possible that there are good reasons for trying to get someone fired and bad reasons for trying to get someone fired? For example, organising a meeting for particular minority groups might be a bad reason for trying to get someone fired. Making racist comments on national TV, on the other hand, might be a fairly justifiable reason for trying to get someone fired?

I haven't seen the show in question, so I don't know if that's a fair description of it, but surely you see my point. It's not hypocritical to call for someone to lose their job in a situation where they deserve it, but to object to others trying to get you fired when you clearly don't deserve it.

Georgie89
May 29 2015 16:58
Tarwater wrote:
This has gotten way out of hand. Shouldn't we all just take a step back here and organize out thoughts?

Georgie- I think you have really let this one get away from you, that you may be mad about some stuff that was, that kinda made sense sorta but since I made lunch you typed like 3245,1284,285,36745 words and maybe there was some stuff in there that was not 100% well thought out?

Everyone else- Why are you even arguing with this kid? it's a fucking mess!

Just so you know where I'm at...I don't want to be Bahar Mustafa's friend or start a reading group with her but neither do I think that she deserves to be chased out of her job or threatened or harassed. Is that controversial, Georgie or all those new troll accounts if you are still out there??

Bahar is probably a nice person in real life, this is the internet and I posted something the majority of a forum for libcom's did not agree with and then this devolved like all forum arguments do. You post on mises or some right wing forum as a libcom and you get the same in reverse, one libcom trying to reply to 50 posters. It gets hard to stay calm and coherent.

Most of these people i disagree with I don't hate. When I have met radical feminists in real life they have been nowhere near as combative or angry or fundamentalist in their attack on dissenting opinions. Because real life fores people to behave in a realistic way.

The main issue as i have said in this thread is the double standard.

If you disagree with a radical feminist on anything they accuse you of hating women
They try and have shows or comedians taken off air and people fired for jokes
They claim persecution if people try and get them fired for the same thing
They use violence to stop people speaking at universities f they disagree with them )something that would be called proof of a culture of oppression against women)
They often defend disgusting female bias in the courts, with alimony, child support, custody cases etc.etc.etc.

Basically people wouldn't get so irritated if there wasn't such an obvious double standard. It does not mean in real life I wouldn't be civil to them and I have not had civil interactions with them.

kurekmurek
May 29 2015 17:00

Is bahar radical feminist? According to what?

Tarwater
May 29 2015 17:06

Then you have to just like, let it go , man. The internet has led to a lot of people having a very big audience for not very perfect ideas, I am glad that it was not around when I was younger as I may have made a big fool of myself. If you are an anarchist or communist or something, than you have to have a faith in people, at least somewhat. People are going to work it out for themselves, getting all upset over someone being a little hypocritical is not worth it, or helpful. And anyway, If Mustafa gets solidarity and gets past all this right wing crap being leveled at her, don't you think it will have a better outcome across the board than if the Daily Mail wins??

Also, you are alienating a lot of people that I bet you could learn some stuff from on here. I just think this kind of hysterical mega argument that happens on here from time to time is bad for everybody.

(Obligatory picture of a hippie)

Georgie89
May 29 2015 17:19
Tarwater wrote:
Then you have to just like, let it go , man. The internet has led to a lot of people having a very big audience for not very perfect ideas, I am glad that it was not around when I was younger as I may have made a big fool of myself. If you are an anarchist or communist or something, than you have to have a faith in people, at least somewhat. People are going to work it out for themselves, getting all upset over someone being a little hypocritical is not worth it, or helpful. And anyway, If Mustafa gets solidarity and gets past all this right wing crap being leveled at her, don't you think it will have a better outcome across the board than if the Daily Mail wins??

Also, you are alienating a lot of people that I bet you could learn some stuff from on here. I just think this kind of hysterical mega argument that happens on here from time to time is bad for everybody.

(Obligatory picture of a hippie)

I don't think it is ok for anyone to try and ban speakers, have people fired for a joke. I think people like bahar who try and silence people who disagree are fundamentally wrong. Just like I think people who claim to be for freedom and democratic processes while also advocating violence against scabs etc are wrong.

In real life I can be friendly and disagree with people but online when people jump and attack you and label you a woman hater etc then it lets an argument get out of hand in a way it never would face to face.

I disagree with radical feminism and its manifestation in the first world which centers around being outraged at jokes or words. Women on the first world enjoy all the rights men do, they also have an upper hand when it comes to the courts etc.

If feminism is about women and men having equal rights i am a feminist. If feminism is about women who have equal rights already under the law, getting people fired, trying to force PC stuff like language policing, petitions to have people fired, ban words, ostracise people with dissenting views, then I am not.

Now this is never going to end with people accepting that because the people on this forum are so drastically far to one side of the arguement that they will never have a civil debate about it. Just like the MRA crowd on reddit can't have one and will downvote you for raising legitimate points that don't fit with their world view.

Fleur
May 29 2015 17:22
Quote:
Just like the MRA crowd on reddit

Sounds like you'd be more at home there. You already have all their talking points, and are every bit as lacking in nuance as they are.

Georgie89
May 29 2015 17:28
Fleur wrote:
Quote:
Just like the MRA crowd on reddit

Sounds like you'd be more at home there. You already have all their talking points, and are every bit as lacking in nuance as they are.

That is why not being beholden to an ideological frame of talking points means you don't become an extremist of illogical about something.

I can think about each point independently. Rather than having to support the ideological line regarding every individual thing.

Can I ask do you think women in the first world have the same rights as men?

Khawaga
May 29 2015 17:37
Quote:
Ha yeah the woman who suffered FGM abuse and patriachal oppression is a big mean islamophobe. Fuck off you dumb cunt.Victim claiming is fine if it is someone fighting oppression supported by a faith or culture of brown people.

You do realize that the confirmed liar part is in relation to her supposed oppression by Islam. While she did indeed undergo fgm and, like almost all women, has experienced harassment, what she claimed on her asylum application to the Netherlands and in her books were proven, by the Dutch immigration authorities to be complete fabrication (it was a huge scandal in the Netherlands and why she left for the US. Now, lying on your application to get into Festung Europa I'm fine with, but repeating it in numerous pieces of writing and in meetings is not ok as that is actually islamophobic. Critiquing Islam is just fine, but making up shit for that purpose is not. And it is actually dangerous for other women who have escaped horrible conditions, considering they may not be believed and thus won't be allowed in.

There are far better critics of Islam out there than her.

Khawaga
May 29 2015 17:42
Quote:
Can I ask do you think women in the first world have the same rights as men?

Such a question is neither here nor there. Rights is a legal concept and something we all have as human beings (human rights) or citizens of a state. We're all rights holders with the state guaranteeing those rights. This means that people in Syria have the same rights as us as per the UDHR. The question is rather about the violation of those rights. And worldwide, women's right are violated more than those of men

Georgie89
May 29 2015 17:43
Khawaga wrote:
Quote:
Ha yeah the woman who suffered FGM abuse and patriachal oppression is a big mean islamophobe. Fuck off you dumb cunt.Victim claiming is fine if it is someone fighting oppression supported by a faith or culture of brown people.

You do realize that the confirmed liar part is in relation to her supposed oppression by Islam. While she did indeed undergo fgm and, like almost all women, has experienced harassment, what she claimed on her asylum application to the Netherlands and in her books were proven, by the Dutch immigration authorities to be complete fabrication (it was a huge scandal in the Netherlands and why she left for the US. Now, lying on your application to get into Festung Europa I'm fine with, but repeating it in numerous pieces of writing and in meetings is not ok as that is actually islamophobic. Critiquing Islam is just fine, but making up shit for that purpose is not. And it is actually dangerous for other women who have escaped horrible conditions, considering they may not be believed and thus won't be allowed in.

There are far better critics of Islam out there than her.

You are peddling lies:

"In 2006, Ayaan had to resign from parliament when the then Dutch minister for Immigration decided to revoke Ayaan's Dutch citizenship, arguing that Ayaan had misled the authorities at the time of her asylum application. However, the Dutch courts confirmed that Ayaan was indeed a legitimate Dutch citizen, leading to the fall of the government. Disillusioned with the Netherlands, she subsequently moved to the United States."

She did not lie about her abuse she lied that she had come straight from Somalia when infact she had escaped to another few countries before going to Holland.

Once again your victim blaming is fucking hideous mate. Sort it out. If it wasn't muslims who she is denouncing for abusing her you would be banned for blaming the victim.

Battlescarred
May 29 2015 17:45

Don't know if you noticed because of all the fire and fury but the fuckwit slagged off vegans and anorexics as well, in his Maoist syle third worldist rants.

Fleur
May 29 2015 17:47
Quote:
Don't know if you noticed because of all the fire and fury but the fuckwit slagged off vegans and anorexics as well, in his Maoist syle third worldist rants.

Yeah, noticed. Not engaging anymore. Life's too short.

Georgie89
May 29 2015 17:51
Battlescarred wrote:
Don't know if you noticed because of all the fire and fury but the fuckwit slagged off vegans and anorexics as well, in his Maoist syle third worldist rants.

I said Veganism and Anorexia are first world problems. This isn't disputable. Deal with it, or did it offend you? If it did deal with it, isn't that what white men should do with the killallwhitemen joke? Or do you have the right not to be offended?

Khawaga
May 29 2015 17:53

You don't fucking get it. I don't care if she got in to Europe under false premises. That is neither here nor there, and as I said she is a survivor of fgm and harassment, but she has also made up stories about her abuse in order to back up her arguments about Islam. It is that latter part I find objectionable, nothing else. And it's not victim blaming you idiot. If I'd flat out refused to believe anything, you would have a point, but that is not what I have done.

Reddebrek
May 29 2015 17:59
Georgie89 wrote:
Battlescarred wrote:
Don't know if you noticed because of all the fire and fury but the fuckwit slagged off vegans and anorexics as well, in his Maoist syle third worldist rants.

I said Veganism and Anorexia are first world problems. This isn't disputable. Deal with it, or did it offend you? If it did deal with it, isn't that what white men should do with the killallwhitemen joke? Or do you have the right not to be offended?

You seem to have dealt with it rather poorly.

Georgie89
May 29 2015 18:00
Khawaga wrote:
Quote:
Can I ask do you think women in the first world have the same rights as men?

Such a question is neither here nor there. Rights is a legal concept and something we all have as human beings (human rights) or citizens of a state. We're all rights holders with the state guaranteeing those rights. This means that people in Syria have the same rights as us as per the UDHR. The question is rather about the violation of those rights. And worldwide, women's right are violated more than those of men

Sure I agree. Historically though the lack of those rights came with the ability to not have to face responsibility. Which if you actually read up on the suffragettes movement, many were worried about getting equal rights to men as they thought naturally they would have to agree to the responsibilities. Such as the draft, responsibility for debts etc.

This is similar to certain classes or minorities in many countries receiving the right to vote and thus becoming eligible for the draft etc as part of that social contract.

So yes women didn't have the same rights throughout history, they also didn't die in the hundreds of million in war they were forced to fight for, men also had all the responsibility for debts, children etc.

I fully support equal rights under the law, I am for destroying gender roles, for both men and women. I think violence against women is horrible (not self defence against them) and I think men who victimise women, rape them or abuse them should be buried under the prison.

But again I am against the feminist movement that word polices, tries to have people fired and claims advertising showing hot women or jokes making fun of women is some how oppressing them.

Georgie89
May 29 2015 18:04
Khawaga wrote:
You don't fucking get it. I don't care if she got in to Europe under false premises. That is neither here nor there, and as I said she is a survivor of fgm and harassment, but she has also made up stories about her abuse in order to back up her arguments about Islam. It is that latter part I find objectionable, nothing else. And it's not victim blaming you idiot. If I'd flat out refused to believe anything, you would have a point, but that is not what I have done.

She did not make up abuse, no one even alledged that. What the fuck are you talking about. The only people saying that are the islamists whoa re trying to kill her. Do you have any proof? anything? No of course not.

You are responding in the same way as MRA when they want to just shut a smart woman up. But you are coming from the super left defend islam position, which just bullies women as a secondary affect.

Khawaga
May 29 2015 18:06

The MRA here is you, dear, not me.

Georgie89
May 29 2015 18:08
Khawaga wrote:
The MRA here is you, dear, not me.

You are calling someone who was abused and oppressed by muslims a liar with no evidence. You have more in common with the MRA subreddit than me my friend. You do have more social brownie points than me though, fighting Islamophobia and all.

Tyrion
May 29 2015 18:14
Georgie89 wrote:
Battlescarred wrote:
Don't know if you noticed because of all the fire and fury but the fuckwit slagged off vegans and anorexics as well, in his Maoist syle third worldist rants.

I said Veganism and Anorexia are first world problems. This isn't disputable. Deal with it, or did it offend you? If it did deal with it, isn't that what white men should do with the killallwhitemen joke? Or do you have the right not to be offended?

I wonder if Georgie's head will explode when he goes to Rojava and learns that women in the third world do indeed experience eating disorders. Go figure that someone so eager to head off to fight for the PYD would have such a nonsensical perception of people in non-Western countries.

Georgie89
May 29 2015 18:12
Tyrion wrote:
Georgie89 wrote:
Battlescarred wrote:
Don't know if you noticed because of all the fire and fury but the fuckwit slagged off vegans and anorexics as well, in his Maoist syle third worldist rants.

I said Veganism and Anorexia are first world problems. This isn't disputable. Deal with it, or did it offend you? If it did deal with it, isn't that what white men should do with the killallwhitemen joke? Or do you have the right not to be offended?

I wish see if Georgie's head will explode when he goes to Rojava and learns that women in the third world do indeed experience eating disorders.

Yep all 10 of them. I hear the vegan population of the middle is is also set to eclipse that of Europe this year. Lammmeeeee.

Tyrion
May 29 2015 18:18
Georgie89 wrote:
Tyrion wrote:
Georgie89 wrote:
Battlescarred wrote:
Don't know if you noticed because of all the fire and fury but the fuckwit slagged off vegans and anorexics as well, in his Maoist syle third worldist rants.

I said Veganism and Anorexia are first world problems. This isn't disputable. Deal with it, or did it offend you? If it did deal with it, isn't that what white men should do with the killallwhitemen joke? Or do you have the right not to be offended?

I wish see if Georgie's head will explode when he goes to Rojava and learns that women in the third world do indeed experience eating disorders.

Yep all 10 of them. I hear the vegan population of the middle is is also set to eclipse that of Europe this year. Lammmeeeee.

A sad example of what happens when someone's knowledge of people living in the third world comes completely from Western Maoists.

Agent not available
May 29 2015 18:21
Tyrion wrote:
Georgie89 wrote:
Tyrion wrote:
Georgie89 wrote:
Battlescarred wrote:
Don't know if you noticed because of all the fire and fury but the fuckwit slagged off vegans and anorexics as well, in his Maoist syle third worldist rants.

I said Veganism and Anorexia are first world problems. This isn't disputable. Deal with it, or did it offend you? If it did deal with it, isn't that what white men should do with the killallwhitemen joke? Or do you have the right not to be offended?

I wish see if Georgie's head will explode when he goes to Rojava and learns that women in the third world do indeed experience eating disorders.

Yep all 10 of them. I hear the vegan population of the middle is is also set to eclipse that of Europe this year. Lammmeeeee.

A sad example of what happens when someone's knowledge of people living in the third world comes completely from Western Maoists.

To be exact, Rebel News on youtube.

Georgie89
May 29 2015 18:22
Tyrion wrote:
Georgie89 wrote:
Tyrion wrote:
Georgie89 wrote:
Battlescarred wrote:
Don't know if you noticed because of all the fire and fury but the fuckwit slagged off vegans and anorexics as well, in his Maoist syle third worldist rants.

I said Veganism and Anorexia are first world problems. This isn't disputable. Deal with it, or did it offend you? If it did deal with it, isn't that what white men should do with the killallwhitemen joke? Or do you have the right not to be offended?

I wish see if Georgie's head will explode when he goes to Rojava and learns that women in the third world do indeed experience eating disorders.

Yep all 10 of them. I hear the vegan population of the middle is is also set to eclipse that of Europe this year. Lammmeeeee.

A sad example of what happens when someone's knowledge of people living in the third world comes completely from Western Maoists.

Maoists are just as batshit crazy as you. They are completely allien to my political compass. Although giving that most people on here deem violence against scabs as ok and don't believe in individual rights, you probably have that authoritarian streak in common with them.

Georgie89
May 29 2015 18:24
Agent of the Fifth International wrote:
Tyrion wrote:
Georgie89 wrote:
Tyrion wrote:
Georgie89 wrote:
Battlescarred wrote:
Don't know if you noticed because of all the fire and fury but the fuckwit slagged off vegans and anorexics as well, in his Maoist syle third worldist rants.

I said Veganism and Anorexia are first world problems. This isn't disputable. Deal with it, or did it offend you? If it did deal with it, isn't that what white men should do with the killallwhitemen joke? Or do you have the right not to be offended?

I wish see if Georgie's head will explode when he goes to Rojava and learns that women in the third world do indeed experience eating disorders.

Yep all 10 of them. I hear the vegan population of the middle is is also set to eclipse that of Europe this year. Lammmeeeee.

A sad example of what happens when someone's knowledge of people living in the third world comes completely from Western Maoists.

To be exact, Rebel News on youtube.

Did you seriously imply i support maoism lol? Give me a constitutional republic with individual rights before you give me any form of state socialism.