Is it okay to make sexist comments then claim they're ironic?

Yes
17% (4 votes)
No
48% (11 votes)
Only if you're revol68
35% (8 votes)
Total votes: 23

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AnarchoAl
Jan 23 2005 06:56

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Caiman del Barrio
Jan 24 2005 00:17
gav wrote:
but your saying the jokes are no longer ironic, and they are serious? do you really think that? i am pretty shocked you said that. :(

I'm not claiming to know anything. All I'm saying is that I suspect that at least some of the time things are said supposedly "tongue in cheek" to kinda test the water. If someone calls them up on it and says it's outta order, yeah fine it's a joke, I wasn't serious, it's OK, you can all still love me. If however noone cares, the comment is left as it was said, pretty much serious.

Thora
Jan 24 2005 00:25
Ed wrote:
Yeah, fair point. But is an ironic sexist joke between friends actually sexist? Obviously lines have been crossed on this board, but does this mean that the entire concept of self-aware jokes should be scrapped? I don't think so. I consider zobag and Thora to be mates of mine and I trust that they don't think I'm a stingy Yid, so I don't care if they call me it (though I do object to zobag's choice of boyfriend wink ). I also don't care when Gav denies the Holocaust coz I know he doesn't believe it. Also, I don't think I've ever had any contact with revol where the phrases "Yid" and "Paddy" haven't been exchanged.

In terms of sexist humour on enrager though, lots of people use this forum who don't know you personally. If you make a sexist/racist/homophobic comment your friends will know you are joking and find it amusing - for someone who has never met you its completely different.

3rdseason
Jan 24 2005 13:34

Interesting thread...

Im not sure how much sexist joking happens on enrager... obviously one or two names spring to mind.. It is totally unecessary and I agree with Alan that some of it seems to have semi-serious intent behind it confused

Some things people might see as sexist aren't tho. Hear Im thinking of a thread where some boys (and a couple girls) were discussing famous people they found attractive. Theres fuck all wrong with that. Also, some jokey flirting is only natural n doesnt need to imply any sexist attitudes (altho maybe sometimesit does).

IMO there isnt a hugely sexist vibe on enrager (altho if I was a girl I'dmaybe notice it more???). However theres room for improvement.

lucy82
Jan 24 2005 19:34

i'm finding this splitting of threads a bit disorientating. i get why its being done and i'm not criticising it, it just feels a bit weird because i don't know which one to answer sometimes cause of the history of the conversations on the thread.

i'm putting bits of what i wrote on the joe/revol thread on here (i'm old right it takes me time to cope with change <--- ageist joke)

a ironic sexist joke between friends is clearly not sexist because it relies on mutual understanding but internet forums, as has been pointed out, are not the same.

even with familiar people on a board, if people are seriously unhappy about sexist comments or irish jokes (or to racist jokes or to stuff about pedeophillia or to anything else remotely un pc i can think of), then is it unreasonable for other people to just stop doing it? just leave it out. i don't get why its necessary to defend it. when some people are clearly saying that some things written are coming across as offensive, then just stop doing it. explaining why it was said is fair enough but then just respect how they feel about it.

its not such a big deal.

btw jokes about banging kids before they reach puberty which i saw tonight are really seriously not funny and i do object to that very strongly. there have been experiences of child abuse in my own family (and don't start on the so poor she ate shit routine and shes trying to score prole points, cause in this case its not funny). as a consequence, i hate jokes like this. it makes me feel sick. i know its a joke but please stop.

there are differences in degree in humour too. some things do cross the line and we might not be able to define it but most of us i think do agree on where the line is.

i don't think we should ban all pissing about but i think we should respect it when people say stop and mean it.

Jacques Roux
Jan 24 2005 19:57

Good post lucy smile

If theres something someone finds very offensive to them on the boards, they can always drop a admin or mod a PM and we will take a look although we prefer if people sort situations out themselves smile