Should the black/green smiley be brough back to it's rightful place?

"Spanish anarcho-syndicalism had long been concerned to safeguard the autonomy of what it called "affinity groups." There were many adepts of naturism and vegetarianism among its members, especially among the poor peasants of the south. Both these ways of living were considered suitable for the transformation of the human being in preparation for a libertarian society. At the Saragossa congress the members did not forget to consider the fate of groups of naturists and nudists, "unsuited to industrialization." As these groups would be unable to supply all their own needs, the congress anticipated that their delegates to the meetings of the confederation of communes would be able to negotiate special economic agreements with the other agricultural and industrial communes."

http://www.zabalaza.net/texts/anarchism_guerin/spain.htm

Spanish anarchists in 1936 supported nudists and vegans!!!!!!

yes that was those thick peasants but! Durruti was a progressive libertarian communist who didn't actually hate humans, hence he ate meat 4 times a day.

anyway i've found a photo of me leading the Sovet motherland to victory, the CAG shocktroops are just out of sight.

heres a pic of CAG

oh and for all u playa hater's suck this down!

Greens rock!!!

Im fucking impressed with this image to be fair. Its AR but in the style of old WW2 prop.

see where he's about to put his fist!

animal liberation my arse, or is it liberation in the same way nonces talk of liberating childrens sexuality?

sick sick fucks!

No alan ihas been kicked out by me! I am the spiritual leader of CAG now so im the shortarse at the front with the rifle!

In true himage to Stalin I fixed the photo to meet the requiremnts on scientific socialism!

The outside world looks down on a man marrying a lama...

184 views and only 8 votes? What's wrong with you people?!

Get off the fucking fence and vote! :greenblackstar: :greenblackstar: :greenblackstar: :greenblackstar:

...its cus its been the same people.

I just sit here hitting refresh waiting for people to reply. My life is that sad. 180 of those views were probably me.

there's more than 8 people logged in right now, FFS.

Liberaltarians, clearly

Any anarchist theory which doesn't intrinsically include respect for animals and the enviroment as a priority is like not seeing the bigger picture.

No you just think its a background issue. After all Jack isn't it CLASS????

its sympton of the disease that is class society u knobwit.

Exactly, you only value nature as resources. Their only importance to you is in relation to the working class.

You dont think that an animal is cool just for doing its own thing but only in so far as it might benefit you.

I'd love you to disagree with that statement and prove me wrong.

Intrinsically is an interesting word to use. I don't see anarchism, which I broadly take to mean the challenging and dismantling of hierarchy and authority wherever it is inappropriate, as necessarily requiring an ecological perspective. My personal conception of anarchism, which is based around wanting to dismantle power relationships, especially but not exclusively the class system, would survive perfectly well in a theoretical sense without any respect for the environment. Respect for animals and the environment isn't intrinsic to my anarchism because I don't see a necessary connection between anarchism and environmentalism.

But I don't want lots of people to die of the effects of global warming, and I think animals should be treated humanely (cows should be allowed to wander around in grassy fields fer ex), and I think we need to work out how best to employ the resources we have to support the global population we have in comfort, which probably means people in the UK eating a lot less meat.

So I only eat a little meat, and I use energy saving bulbs, and so on. If I wasn't busy campaigning on other issues I'd happily campaign for environmental issues. But that's not because environmentalism follows logically from anarchism, it's because only a daft fuck would want the world to end. And I like cows. And lamas.

But if the w/c became immune to the effects you'd stop worrying about it -- admit it u technocrat!

well actually any value judgements regarding nature will always fall to humans u stupid hippy!

also humans aren't distinct from the natural world.

anyway i think the point is that if u want to actually do stuff about environmental issues u should argue on the basis of peoples self interest, whether thats aesthetic or practically minded.

arguing against the implementation of roads from a perpestive of the intrinsic value of trees (outside of human consequences) is going to get u rightfully laiughed at.

But the point is you only care about the effect it has on the working class. You don't give two shits about animals for their own sake.

Oh and that red star is more like pink.. Is there something about Stalins private life you know and we don't?

This guy can survive nuclear blasts and acid rain and such, I'm sure:

Glory to the invincible soldiers of the international proletariat! Victory to North Korea!

Exaclty -- and so ideas of 'self interest' are not limited to a thatcherite, individualist idea of 'self'. Protection of trees because of aesthetic reasons and bio-respect is a basic part of many people's self and their interests.

Is that another way of saying "Everyone likes trees, they make people happy"?

yes but thats my fuckng point, the trees don't have any value in themselves outside of the experiance of them.

i can grant value to an animal cos they are sentient but i can't fucking give vlaue to a tree outside of its effects.

Yes -- green anarchy is common sense! Only a Trotskyist-industrialist would be against happiness. :greenblackstar:

After we've killed your lot in the revolution, Lazlo, we'll tarmac over the whole planet, use the Earth's core as a furnace, and build a giant smokestack that protrudes into space, polluting the whole universe. THEN we'll see who has the last laugh! D D D

rb rb blackbloc rb rb

*Nothing* exists outside of your experience of it, u fucking neo-platonist

What's this 'giving value' to animals/trees? Sounds like some leninist-thathcerite painting poud signs on project to me.

Into the Compost Pile with the Reactionary Dregs of Industrial Socialism!

I wouldn't want my friends to die because I like my friends and I want the best for them. Not just because it makes my life more comfortable to have them living.

The same for animals, I want them to be left to their own devices cos I have respect for them and think they're cool. Thats different from self-interest isnt it?

Animals are my non-human friends. (LOL )

*wonders if this post is actually relevant but is glad to have got in the "non-human friends" bit*

3rdseason, have you seen the "Douche and Turd" episode of South Park?

Everyone who's posting to this thread should watch it....

( http//www.mrtwig.net for bittorrent south park downloads - the episode's in season 8)

Eat Green Plant Death, Trot!

3rd u don't want ur friend to die cos u like them, that is self interest u dickhead, it might be a very broad definition but its stilll an interest.