J. And Derrida.

jef costello "Beautiful, just like Nuremburg"
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Submitted by jef costello on 24 August, 2006 - 07:20.

currently online we have:

JDMF
jef costello
Joseph K.
jason

I'm seeing a pattern here. There's also a sizeable contingent of J's in the committee of nine. Does this mean that J is the most revolutionary letter?

Admin edit - I changed the title as things appear to have moved on a bit...

Joseph K. "the thinking man's idiot"
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24 August, 2006 - 07:32

i jhink it joes, jomrade! je are jhe janguard!

Jason Cortez "Wrong on all the crucial issues"
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24 August, 2006 - 08:16

Clearly J is the vanduard revolutionary letter the rest are either the masses to led or capitalist lackey running dogs.

Joseph K. "the thinking man's idiot"
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24 August, 2006 - 08:20

jes jomrade - je just jease jhe jowells - jhe jinguistic jeans of jroduction!

JDMF "G.F.H - Vegan Style"
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24 August, 2006 - 08:25

There was a syndicate of J in the spanish CNT wasn't there?

Joseph K. "the thinking man's idiot"
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24 August, 2006 - 08:29

and let's not forget the friends of durruti's revolutionary Junta! (council sounds so municipal and counter-revolutionary in comparision wink)

ftony "crews are for boats"
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24 August, 2006 - 08:37

J is an authoritarian and anti- working class letter.

there can be no peace until the last semicolon is hung with the tail of the last J

tongue

Steven. ""Best hair at Unison conference""
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24 August, 2006 - 08:40

Js are the best. Oh yeah.

Steven. ""Best hair at Unison conference""
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24 August, 2006 - 08:41
ftony wrote:
there can be no peace until the last semicolon is hung with the tail of the last J

"Hanged", you illiterate A-face roll eyes

Joseph K. "the thinking man's idiot"
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24 August, 2006 - 08:49
Quote:
People who talk about revolution and class struggle without referring explicitly to the letter j, without understanding what is subversive about love of the curly tail and what is positive in the refusal of illiteracy, such people have the roman alphabet in their mouths.

jef costello "Beautiful, just like Nuremburg"
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24 August, 2006 - 09:11

The Humanistic scholar Pierre de la Ramée (d. 1572) was the first to make a distinction between I and J.

Which is why his name lives on, whereas the silly cunt who though up 'z' lies forgotten.

ftony "crews are for boats"
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24 August, 2006 - 09:13
John. wrote:
ftony wrote:
there can be no peace until the last semicolon is hung with the tail of the last J

"Hanged", you illiterate A-face roll eyes

i whell and trully ballsed that won up did'nt aye?

cantdocartwheels "in the aeroplane over the sea"
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25 August, 2006 - 10:48

Interestingly the welsh alphabet doesn't include the letter j, or didn't until they realised they couldn't say jam or jumper without it. So i think that shows without a doubt that only j has the correct internationalist line.

Jason Cortez "Wrong on all the crucial issues"
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25 August, 2006 - 18:58

Appearenyly niether does the greek alphabet despite having a hero called none other than Jason:?

Joseph K. "the thinking man's idiot"
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25 August, 2006 - 19:02

enough of that iason angry

revol68 "what is a child?"
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25 August, 2006 - 19:40

it is true, John, meaning a gift from god, is the name of the truly revolutionary. Because if we take derrida's concept of the gift, of something without expectation of return, a pure giving that is not in anticapation, an act that is wide open to the arrival of an "other". The gift from god is "original sin", John is the apple from which adam and eve eat, heralding in a gap between themselves and god and allowing for 'free will'. John is therefore the vanishing mediator between God or logos and human subjectivity, John is the gap, the rupture that creates the abyss of our existential angst.

Afterall Jean Paul Sarte was not called John in poncy french for nothing.

coffeemachine "Deny to working class children any common share in the immaterial and presently they will grow into men who demand with menaces a communism of the material."
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25 August, 2006 - 19:42

and baudrillard?

revol68 "what is a child?"
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25 August, 2006 - 19:45
coffeemachine wrote:
and baudrillard?

a rotten apple.

A usurper, the sublimated rage of God, a barely concealed attempt to assert the rule of logos through the suicide of subjectivity.

We do not speak of Baudrillard.

coffeemachine "Deny to working class children any common share in the immaterial and presently they will grow into men who demand with menaces a communism of the material."
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25 August, 2006 - 19:55

he takes good pictures

revol68 "what is a child?"
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25 August, 2006 - 19:58

he's no Jean Seberg but I suppouse he is photogenic in his own way.

coffeemachine "Deny to working class children any common share in the immaterial and presently they will grow into men who demand with menaces a communism of the material."
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25 August, 2006 - 20:07

one of jean's:

revol68 "what is a child?"
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25 August, 2006 - 20:16
coffeemachine wrote:
one of jean's:

that's shite, I've got better pics of my mates throwing shopping trollies into canals.

coffeemachine "Deny to working class children any common share in the immaterial and presently they will grow into men who demand with menaces a communism of the material."
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25 August, 2006 - 21:07

one suspects that's entirely the point.

Actually what you can't see from that picture is there's a host of air bubbles escaping from the corner of the dented bonnet. Dead symbolic like.

jef costello "Beautiful, just like Nuremburg"
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26 August, 2006 - 20:17
revol68 wrote:
Because if we take derrida's concept of the gift, of something without expectation of return, a pure giving that is not in anticapation, an act that is wide open to the arrival of an "other". The gift from god is "original sin", John is the apple from which adam and eve eat, heralding in a gap between themselves and god and allowing for 'free will'. John is therefore the vanishing mediator between God or logos and human subjectivity, John is the gap, the rupture that creates the abyss of our existential angst.

I don't know if your copy lost something in translation, but Derrida posed the concept of the gift as an impossibility. The gift from God in principle is Eden, the apple is in fact the ugly head of the real, which rears because we cannot have reality without the real. Free will has nothing to do with this economy of exchange.
John. may be significant but you are not, don't leech off him.

jef costello "Beautiful, just like Nuremburg"
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27 August, 2006 - 10:20

jackthesecond
jason
Jason Cortez
jef costello
JDMF

it continues, although I believe the first one is an infiltrator and cortez is a "sneaky wee sniping cunt" I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not though smile

revol68 "what is a child?"
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27 August, 2006 - 13:57
jef costello wrote:
revol68 wrote:
Because if we take derrida's concept of the gift, of something without expectation of return, a pure giving that is not in anticapation, an act that is wide open to the arrival of an "other". The gift from god is "original sin", John is the apple from which adam and eve eat, heralding in a gap between themselves and god and allowing for 'free will'. John is therefore the vanishing mediator between God or logos and human subjectivity, John is the gap, the rupture that creates the abyss of our existential angst.

I don't know if your copy lost something in translation, but Derrida posed the concept of the gift as an impossibility. The gift from God in principle is Eden, the apple is in fact the ugly head of the real, which rears because we cannot have reality without the real. Free will has nothing to do with this economy of exchange.
John. may be significant but you are not, don't leech off him.

Oh deary me, Jef, I don't know if your just desperately scrambling to get one up or my point fell into the communicative gap between your ears.

For Derrida the gift is always an impossibility, and isn't free will in a universe with God not an impossibility? Eden is not a gift, because it is premised on gving back, on loyalty. The gift is therefore the Apple because it is given ,God tries to forbid it, yet the very indestructable nature of the gift is what allows for deconstruction, the opening of a space, an indetermacy in the Garden, (the garden of course being us at one with the logos).

More to the point is how sad do you have to be to offer a critique of a Pseud's corner entry, and how thick do you have to be to do so by trying to jam Lacanian square pegs into Derridian round holes?

jef costello "Beautiful, just like Nuremburg"
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27 August, 2006 - 16:36
revol68 wrote:
and how thick do you have to be to do so by trying to jam Lacanian square pegs into Derridian round holes?

Surely Derridean holes would be square wouldn't they?

revol68 "what is a child?"
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27 August, 2006 - 16:49

Why?

Deconstruction is not a mere affirmation of contradiction.

zobag "eurocrunk"
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27 August, 2006 - 19:58

I hope Derrida bigs up da Marcel Mauss. Cos it was his idea first.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gift_%28book%29

Actually, it was malinowski's, but lets not dwell on him.

Joseph K. "the thinking man's idiot"
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27 August, 2006 - 20:22

has anyone else seen the derrida documentary? boorring. he seemed like a charicature of a philosopher, pausing thoughtfully at every question before delivering some vague musing or other. ok it was more about him than his work, but hey.