Are you on the NHS Organ Donor Register?

Yesssssss
67% (20 votes)
No.
33% (10 votes)
Total votes: 30

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Jacques Roux
Feb 13 2005 15:36

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ftony
Feb 17 2005 10:26
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Are (active) queerfolk allowed to donate organs? I know I'm not allowed to give blood or some such so I was wondering whether I should revise my answer to this.

I don't give blood too, because of that (and my immense fear of needles!)

I looked on the website and there's nothing that says you can't if you're gay. I assume they have to drain blood out and sterilise the organs anyway

phoebe
Feb 17 2005 11:25
ftony wrote:
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Are (active) queerfolk allowed to donate organs? I know I'm not allowed to give blood or some such so I was wondering whether I should revise my answer to this.

I don't give blood too, because of that (and my immense fear of needles!)

I looked on the website and there's nothing that says you can't if you're gay. I assume they have to drain blood out and sterilise the organs anyway

You mean they don't just rinse your liver out under a tap and slap it into the next unsuspecting person available?

LiveFastDiarrea
Feb 17 2005 12:32

I dont think they do drain the blood out and what not, thats why you have to get an organ that matches your blood type int it?

ftony
Feb 17 2005 15:18

I think that's to do with the body rejecting an organ or not. it's the genes, i think they have a sort of histhamine reaction that rejects the new foreign body in it. If it's the right genotype, the person will not reject it.

er, i think.

Steven.
Feb 17 2005 15:43

I imagine with blood it's too tricky, and not cost effective and hold and screen blood for HIV/AIDS, hence the ban on men who shag men, but with organs I'd think it would be worthwhile since organs are so valuable.

Hmmm on a separate note there must be HIV+ people who need transplants, I wonder if they use HIV+ donors for them confused

phoebe
Feb 17 2005 15:51

They screen all blood for HIV and various other diseases anyway (there're easily enough straight people with HIV for it to be worth it). They claim there's some probabilistic reason that some HIV will get through their system and that's why they don't allow sexually active gay men (or mtf transsexuals who fuck people with penises) to donate blood. However, given that Britain imports blood from Canada where they don't give a fuck if you're a fag they're basically talking a whole load of shit.

Maybe the thing is that organ donations happen less often and they can doublecheck or something. Dunno.

ftony
Feb 17 2005 16:34

maybe it's the pixies 8)

Refused
Feb 17 2005 18:08
ftony wrote:
I think that's to do with the body rejecting an organ or not. it's the genes, i think they have a sort of histhamine reaction that rejects the new foreign body in it. If it's the right genotype, the person will not reject it.

er, i think.

The body's immune system protects you from potentially harmful substances, such as microorganisms, toxins and cancer cells. These harmful substances have proteins called antigens on their surfaces. If your immune system identifies antigens that are foreign (not part of your body), it will attack the substance.

In the same way, foreign blood or tissue can trigger a blood transfusion reaction or transplant rejection. To help prevent this, tissue is "typed" before the transplant procedure to identify the antigens it contains.

Though tissue typing ensures that the organ or tissue is as similar as possible to the tissues of the recipient, the match is usually not perfect. No two people (except identical twins) have identical tissue antigens.

lucy82
Feb 17 2005 18:34
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Hmmm on a separate note there must be HIV+ people who need transplants, I wonder if they use HIV+ donors for them

given that there are a limited number of organs available for transplant, and a ruthless lottery already goes on by age, existing state of health, etc. as to who gets them, then i would reckon people with HIV don't get donated organs.

pleased to see though that numbers on the register of organ donaters have swept up since enrager launched its successful campaign to take over the populace from the inside. careful all i fear an award for charitable contributer of the year could be coming your way, plus a visit from tony blair to congratulate you on getting the yoof involved. something the NHS transplant campaigns have always struggled to do...

Garner
Feb 18 2005 14:02
John. wrote:
I imagine with blood it's too tricky, and not cost effective and hold and screen blood for HIV/AIDS, hence the ban on men who shag men, but with organs I'd think it would be worthwhile since organs are so valuable.

I wouldn't have thought there'd be time to screen organs. Don't they have to be transplanted pretty damn quick? And how long does an HIV test take?

LiveFastDiarrea
Feb 18 2005 14:42

I think it takes quite a while, someone I know got pricked with a needle in a phone box and I think they said it would be months before they found out wether he was HIV+ or not.

phoebe
Feb 18 2005 14:50

I thought HIV tests take about 6 months...

LiveFastDiarrea
Feb 18 2005 15:22

yeah, I think thats how long it said it would be, can't be the best six months of your life.

Garner
Feb 18 2005 15:55

Fuck that's a long time...

I'm sure they can probably do them a lot quicker than that if they have to, but still probably way too slow for organ transplants.

3rdseason
Feb 20 2005 01:32
phoebe wrote:
I thought HIV tests take about 6 months...

No thats not true. Its nowhere near that long. Can't remember how long but definitely NOT that long.

Garner
Feb 21 2005 14:26

Surely someone must know! We can't all be either completely irresponsible or unerringly monogamous, can we? Come on, who's had an HIV test, and how long did it take?

3rdseason
Feb 21 2005 15:09

Ive had one but I cant remember how long it took. It wasnt 6 months tho. more like 6 weeks or something. I wasnt exactly shitting myself.

Jacques Roux
Mar 5 2005 16:24

Just saw this...

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The health ministry in the Netherlands has proposed excluding Muslims from receiving organ transplants. There is a permanent shortage of donor organs, and the health minister specifically blamed Muslims, who refuse removal of organs on religious grounds. The plan is a tit-for-tat retaliation: Muslims will get lowest priority to receive transplants. Since there is such a shortage, in practice they will never get one.

The health minister is from the Liberal party. The proposal illustrates the deteriorating social climate, with bitter hostility between Dutch and Muslims. However, it could also affect smaller Protestant churches, whose members refuse to donate blood and organs.

Makes sense i suppose...

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2005/03/306201.html

Refused
Mar 5 2005 17:52

What about Muslims who are on an organ donor register? Are they automatically placed on a "low priority" (for the love of God! angry ) list as well?

Jason Cortez
Mar 5 2005 18:35

Thanks Rkn, i have been meaning to do this for a while now, (used to have a card) but you've made it that little bit easier. I agreed that people should have to opt out, rather than in.

gav
Mar 5 2005 19:47

any ideas why this government (or any other) hasn't implemented the 'opt out' scheme, especially since most people think its common sense?

wheresmyshoes
Mar 5 2005 20:02

ooh I just registered now, I feel quite good now

Jacques Roux
Mar 5 2005 20:32

Just imagine all the people who will soon be walking the earth full of anarchist organs.....

World Domination - One Step Closer.

eek eek

Pepe
Mar 6 2005 19:23

Surely if Muslims object to donating organs they'd also object to recieving them? confused

Refused
Mar 6 2005 21:46
Jess wrote:
Surely if Muslims object to donating organs they'd also object to recieving them? confused

Some Muslims believe that a body shouldn't be cut/mutilated after death, in preparation for burial. This is despite popular scholars stating that if it was the person's will (e.g. on a donation register) then it's perfectly fine.

Donation whilst alive [e.g. a kidney and blood] is [in my opinion] also permitted but there are certain schools of thought which say otherwise.

I'm a donor.

P.S.

The part in the article about tensions between Dutch people and Muslims....yeah, because we all know there are no Dutch Muslims. roll eyes Obviously the Muslims are all immigrants.