Do you believe in life after death?

yes
14% (4 votes)
no
57% (16 votes)
Undecided.
29% (8 votes)
Total votes: 28

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TangoMash
Feb 10 2006 19:15

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TangoMash
Feb 10 2006 19:15

I believe that your mind and thoughts become non-existant and just stop altogether. I think thats its utter bull that some people believe that if you were good then you go to heaven, or come back as a anotehr human. And if your bad then you come back as an ant or you go to hell. and ant wouldnt last 2 minutes in hell.

Also, if there is a life after death, then we are living a hell now, kind of like a "hell on earth" i guess you could say. earth is shit anyway, what makes people think hells full of lakes of lava and fire everywhere and 24/7 labour. I think if this isnt a hell on earth then hell, could actully be just a plain room, no food or drink, and you just stand there with a tv playing daytime tv all day everyday. You know, that Trisha crap and so on. and you cant die again, so it last for all eternity.

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Tomson95
Feb 10 2006 20:06

And who believes in life before death?

Lazlo_Woodbine
Feb 10 2006 22:01

Hell is other french people

jef costello
Feb 10 2006 22:15
Lazlo_Woodbine wrote:
Hell is other french people

Va te faire foutre cherie.

888
Feb 10 2006 22:39

Va t'enfer foutre.

I believe it's vaguely possible my consciousness will exist in some form after I die - after all it's ridiculous enough that I exist in the first place. I don't know what the conditions are that create my personal experience. I know that they relate somehow to my body, but who's to say that when my body stops functioning the way it is now I won't be drastically altered rather than nonexistent? Are we self-conscious in our sleep? Or do I just falsely remember being conscious (realising I exist) in my dreams? To not exist seems even more absurd than to exist. Sometimes I think that we die every instant and the I that was me 5 minutes ago is no more I than you are.

jef costello
Feb 10 2006 23:04
888 wrote:
Va t'enfer foutre.

??

If you like the absurd you could learn french and read about it smile

888
Feb 10 2006 23:49
Jef Costello wrote:
888 wrote:
Va t'enfer foutre.

??

If you like the absurd you could learn french and read about it :)

Or maybe YOU should learn French and realise I actually made a pun, fool.

jef costello
Feb 11 2006 00:11
888 wrote:
Or maybe YOU should learn French and realise I actually made a pun, fool.

You should use Mr. T with the word fool.

I don't see it. Maybe its my noted lack of a sense of humour, but I don't think so. You could explain it, I'm curious and if you're right you can feel doubly clever smile

jef costello
Feb 11 2006 00:28

Well I can expect to be shown up next time he logs on then.

I think I've worked it out but it doesn't strike me as being good. I was possibly annoyed by the wooly thinking that followed it.

Either that or I'm being a cock because I'm home on a friday night coughing on my laptop.

Looking back at the posts it does look like its the second one.

Sorry 888.

I said "fuck off dear"

888 said "go away and fuck", punning on the word hell. But the pun doesn't seem very french and the "en" doesn't feel right. I'm probably wrong; 888 can always correct me if necessary smile

888
Feb 11 2006 00:47
Jef Costello wrote:
888 wrote:
Or maybe YOU should learn French and realise I actually made a pun, fool.

You should use Mr. T with the word fool.

I don't see it. Maybe its my noted lack of a sense of humour, but I don't think so. You could explain it, I'm curious and if you're right you can feel doubly clever :)

Va t'ENFER foutre. Enfer = hell in French. Ah you got it in the second post. I can't say whether the pun is particularly french or not but a native French speaker would understand it, I think (I'm not quite native - I moved to France at age 0 and learnt French there until I was 9, but then didn't practice it that much after that).

I would say "Va t'en faire foutre" would mean "go and be fucked by it" whereas "va te faire foutre" means "go get fucked", but I'm not sure the former makes much sense.

Anyway, what was so annoying about my wooly thinking? What's wrong with idle speculation? Would you rather just say "I don't know" with a Gallic shrug? I can't conceive of not existing, though that doesn't mean I won't.

Steven.
Feb 11 2006 11:49
Lazlo_Woodbine wrote:
Hell is other french people

You didn't come up with that yourself did you? That is hilarious. I'm gonna steal that, ha ha.

I got that it was a play on words 888.

Don't believe in life after death no, I think consciousness is in brain activity which will stop when you die.

888 yeah that stuff reminds of that guy in the Matrix who sells out to have his memory wiped to return to live in the Matrix. To me, that's a stupid idea, cos he'd basically be dead. To have your most recent memories wiped and exist somewhere else - it just wouldn't be you any more... But then again I suppose people who get amnesia are still themselves. But the person they were at the end has "died". Hmmm...

Steve
Feb 11 2006 11:56

The worms crawl in and the worms crawl out

The ones that crawl in are lean and thin

The ones that crawl out are fat and stout

Your eyes fall in and your teeth fall out

Your brains come tumbling down your snout

Be merry my friends

Be merry

wheresmyshoes
Feb 11 2006 12:53

I'm a christian so I believe in the whole Heaven and Hell gubbins.

jef costello
Feb 11 2006 13:17
888 wrote:
Anyway, what was so annoying about my wooly thinking? What's wrong with idle speculation?

I'm an obsessive compulsive control freak.

It wasn't particularly annoying, I'm just easily annoyed.

In a sense we live forever because existence is consciousness, so the end of consciousness is the end of the universe.

Personally I think that the death of the body is death of the mind to.

I suppose memory is personality but there is also an element of reaction to events that isn't entirely predictable. I suppose it depends at what point they cut off th memory, if they put you back to say 18 and then let you start again, perhaps with a few improvements then that would be cool.

Ever see Dark City?

Lazy Riser
Feb 11 2006 13:25

Hi

I believe that there is a working class cosmic group mind that all authentic proletarians join when they finally merge with the infinite.

By the time I go, they’ll be able to download consciousness into a nice ripe clone body anyway. Hello immortality, Mwha ha ha ha ha.

Love

LR

lucy82
Feb 11 2006 13:38

it seems to me its not what happens when you die in terms of consiousness thats important. i reckon i'll just rot anyway. but i'm more interested in how people change as they age. my mums now 70 and she is not the same personality as she was when she was 45. its sad because you always lose people even when they are still alive and i do miss the mum i had even though i love the mum i've got.

also with your kids, i was very aware as they grew and changed that THAT particular person you loved at that time would go away in a sense. i still miss my children now at all their stages even though as who they are now, they are still here.

jef costello
Feb 11 2006 13:49

Cool post Lucy. I was thinking about being 18 again and although it would be cool, I don't think I'd like to give up the years I've had since then, even though I think I've wasted them.

People do change, but I find it hard to tell because I think I've changed a fair bit , although I think that there is a core that stays basically the same.

The Porkadian
Feb 11 2006 15:11

I agree with Lucy82 you die and rot away, I certainly dont beleive in life after death but find it a pleasant thought, imagine if you died and your soul then left your body and then floated away and once your soul reached its final destination there waiting for you are all the people you loved and all your dead pets........... romantic bullshit I know but I still find it a nice thought when im feeling a bit down.

Steven.
Feb 11 2006 15:58
The Porkadian wrote:
I agree with Lucy82 you die and rot away, I certainly dont beleive in life after death but find it a pleasant thought, imagine if you died and your soul then left your body and then floated away and once your soul reached its final destination there waiting for you are all the people you loved and all your dead pets........... romantic bullshit I know but I still find it a nice thought when im feeling a bit down.

You'd get so bored with them!

An afterlife would be terrible. Unimaginable horribly boring. Much better to die and then that's it. I mean I'm quite a fun guy, but imagine people who know me having to listen to my "Those aren't two pillows!" john candy/steve martin skit for the fucking 9 millionth time

jef costello
Feb 11 2006 17:11
John. wrote:
An afterlife would be terrible. Unimaginable horribly boring. Much better to die and then that's it. I mean I'm quite a fun guy, but imagine people who know me having to listen to my "Those aren't two pillows!" john candy/steve martin skit for the fucking 9 millionth time

You could come up with some new material?

I reckon if there is an afterlife it'll be more like the story Bobok, where your essence hangs around in your corpse for a while with nothing else to do other than talk to other dead people until it fades away.

lucy82
Feb 11 2006 17:47

seen as i'll probably know before most of you lot i promise to come back after death and post on this thread and let you know what its like. as long as my login survives as an important piece of my consiousness, that is

powertotheimagi...
Feb 12 2006 00:26

You rot.

lem
Feb 12 2006 06:35

I dunno. Some philosopher has told me that you can't enter a state of non-consciousness, because you don't exist anymore. So what state do you enter? You don't. confused

Steven.
Feb 12 2006 11:48
lem wrote:
I dunno. Some philosopher has told me that you can't enter a state of non-consciousness, because you don't exist anymore. So what state do you enter? You don't. confused

What the fuck would a philosopher know about anything?

powertotheimagi...
Feb 12 2006 19:02

When you die your body physically rots (unless you were burnt or something else happened that would stop this rotting process). What happens to a 'soul' or 'spirit' after death is much harder to see, and often ends up just being a long religious/ spiritual debate. We cannot even say a (alive) human has a 'soul' or 'spirit' sure many people belive we do, but even if we did have such a thing, why would it live on after our physical self is dead? There is nothing at all with a scientific background to show that an afterlife exists in any form, nevermind the romantic view of meeting all your dead relatives, friends, famous people as pristine spiritual figures in some sort of Heavan. I know people who arn't religious who believe in an afterlife, yet I rarely challenge them, its a view that has little impact upon their daily lives and when challenged they retreat into a 'well I just hope there is', its like someones belief in faries. If these beliefs have little impact upon how someone conducts their lifes, I suppose its upto them what they believe.

Vaneigemappreci...
Feb 12 2006 19:11

the idea of a life after death is just there to comfort people who spend their whole lives being stoics, abstaining from acting out their desires and adhering, in a cowardly fashion to rules and notions of social respectability. Its a comforting thought but ive never understood the whole idea of doing bugger all now so you can have it all once your dead. The idea that if you obey a certain doctrne of religion and do as a book says in his life you'll go to a place full of people who did exactly the same as you and are presumably very boring people with very little to talk about, what nonsense!

When i die i'll go to heaven as ive spent my time in hell. who said that?

Jason Cortez
Feb 13 2006 01:07

After i die my mates and loved ones will probaly get pissed.

Jason Cortez
Feb 13 2006 01:19

Not on my life insurance... but if your paying? grin

sam sanchez
Feb 16 2006 17:39

I reckon everything will be exactly the same when I'm dead, except I won't be alive. I don't generally think its worth speculating about something so completely unknowable.

more seriously, life after death implies that there is an essence to "me" that will continue. But everything i can point to that makes up "me" changes. My thoughts, appearance, personality, political ideas, the cells and atoms in my body and everything that makes me is different from how it was years ago and will continue to change, with no permanent essence that I can point to. So most of me is already dead, and anyone who wants to convince me of life after death will have to explain to me which me will be resurrected and why it should be that "me" rather than the millions of other "me"s that have existed. Or otherwise prove an unchangeing immutable soul.

Choccy
Feb 17 2006 14:27

I'm not going anywhere when I die, rotting in the soil, which is fair enough. I can live with the fact that I'll be remembered by somebody somewhere and anything, however shit, that I have created or done will still leave a trace. Although it obviously won't matter to me when I die because I'll be dead and gone.

John's right too, how fucking boring would it be to live forever!?