How did you become anarchist/libertarian communist?

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Through friends
7% (8 votes)
From books/anarchist press
29% (36 votes)
Through music
3% (4 votes)
Through trade-union/class struggle
3% (4 votes)
Radicalised by a copper's truncheon
3% (4 votes)
From the activities of a local anarchist group
2% (2 votes)
Through the internet
16% (20 votes)
Through the activisty scene/counter culture
13% (16 votes)
None of the other options
17% (21 votes)
Through parent(s) or relative
7% (8 votes)
Total votes: 123
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This is a question I have been meaning to ask people for ages: how did you get involved in anarchist/libertarian communist politics? What was it that made you decide that you were anarcho/lib-com? Was there an evolution of your ideas?

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I suppose it's been influences right through my life. I mean I think I learned to mistrust and challenge authority from a young age so it's hard to say exactly when I became 'an anarchist'.

Although I was very young at the time, the experience of growing up in Derry during the 70s had a profound impact on me. Growing up in a neighbourhood patrolled by tanks would influence anybody. My dad was unemployed and finding it hard to keep his family away from the escalating violence, so he took us to the UK in the summer of 82. Of course in those days there was still a lot of anti-irish racism and it was hard for him to find work. My father was a proud man and an educated man, so it was hard for him to do odd jobs like washing cars, but we had to make ends meet.

In the mining area where we lived the class unity was amazing, but so was the clear distinction between families like ours and the toffs who lived outside town. I'd watch them on their ponies when I was out with my kestrel and the injustice and inequality just didn't seem right. My father was a socialist and a republican so when the miners strike kicked off he threw himself into the struggle. He was like a hero to me. My eldest brother used to go down to the pickets and fight alonside him but I was too young. I used to watch from my window as the scabs tried to drive through. Early one morning I saw the police beating my father on the ground and the image has stayed with me.

That was the same summer my little sister died of dysentry.

In the winter, the surviving members of our family all turned Afro-Carribean and moved to Broadwater Farm. I'll never forget the night my eldest brother came home and said they'd killed a cop and everyone was terrified for what would happen next. After that, anybody with black skin was even more criminalised than before. My father was arrested and charged with car breaking. The trial was a farce but he was sent down anyway. I'd never seen my father cry before, but tears clung to his cheek like dew on a rose petal as he waved to me from the dock.

I ran away to Paris to escape the social services who wanted to take me 'into care'. In Paris I lived a feral life, shoplifting and pick-pocketing from the rich. I worked for a time in a brothel and learned a lot about the subjugation of women.

Then one day an Eastern European travelling show came to town and invited me to hit the road with them. I could do some tricks and a bit of juggling and had seen so much turmoil for one so young that I took to life on the road like a fish to water. But I felt sorry for the elephants and became a vegan. There was an old Ukranian magician called Malakanoff who used to tell me stories every night. He'd tell me tales of Nestor Makhno and the Ukranian revolution. As we crossed borders I learned a lot about racism, because then as now there was a lot of discrimination against Romanys. The people in the towns used to call us 'gypsies, tramps and thieves'.

When we made it to Gulyai Poyle Malakanoff introduced me to his great-grandaughter Tatiana who, like her mother before her, had fought a clandestine struggle under the banner 'liberty or death' throughout the 'communist' dictatorship. At twenty four she was ten years my elder but I fell madly in love with Tatiana and lost my virginity. We sat together afterwards, completely naked, as the rain began to fall. She was beautiful like a diamond.

That was the year the Berlin wall came down. It was an amazing scene and it influenced me deeply. I'll never forget how Tatiana held me that night on the ruins of the wall.

I left the show to become an urban guerilla and Tatiana gave me my first rusty AK. When I was seventeen we tried to assasinate Boris Yeltsin. Tatiana was killed in the shoot out. The silence inside me was so empty that to have screamed might have shattered my heart.

For my part I was jailed for life. In prison I learned to read and write. I also discovered the joys of same sex love with a bankrobber called Bollockoff. Before then I'd been blinded by heterosexist society and hadn't realised that all people are naturally bisexual. Even those who only fancy girls.

When I escaped many years later, killing two fascist screws, I travelled Europe sans papier and illegally re-entered the UK by stowing away on a Norwegian shipping vessel. I squatted a house in Hackney. It was while living in Hackney that I chanced across an article about hunt-sabbing in Class War. I never looked back from then.

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i voted activist counterculture just to piss certain people off wink Nah, not really, but it is probably the closest to the truth, because workplace and estate issues turned me socialist, but it took the activist counterculture and some punks and other people who dress funny to explain me what anarchism was.

And it took me couple years to have any remote belief that there's anything to it (i blame the people trying to do the explaining...).

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Through friends (well a friend), who kept me supplied with books and CNT stickers to plaster all over my guitar case when I was a teenager ( embarrassed ).

But it was through workplace experience, and trying to organise that made me go back to it and think, "Fuck, this might actually work."

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all over my guitar case when I was a teenager ( embarrassed ).

very important question: what kind of music? wink

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very important question: what kind of music? ;)

Since it was my electric guitar case, and thinking back how old I was....

Sonic Youth, Big Black, Butthole Surfers, Husker Du.

Embarrassing enough for ya? wink

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another victim of subculture then tongue

nothing embarrasing about it though. Ny any means necessary - even through bad music!

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Punk..... eek

Then I sodded it and read a book grin

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Urban75 and books.

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The fucking infuriating thing about threads like this is that instead of people seeing the MASSIVE flaws in anarchism it presents (ie that it attracts people as a subculture rather than from being actually of worth in of itself), it'll just reinforced in people the idea that it's good to orientate ourselves to activism and subcultures. roll eyes

Oh and for me, it's because my Mum was in Solidarity. I'll add an extra option (rich I hope you don't mind - delete it if you do!)

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Through friends (well a friend), who kept me supplied with books and CNT stickers to plaster all over my guitar case when I was a teenager ( embarrassed ).

But it was through workplace experience, and trying to organise that made me go back to it and think, "Fuck, this might actually work."

I'd be interested to know how the above post does that, old chap. confused

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I wasn't talking about what GOOD people would take from the thread, I was talking about most anarchists. tongue

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Sonic Youth, Big Black, Butthole Surfers, Husker Du.

Embarrassing enough for ya? :wink:

Why is that embarrassing? Three of those bands were fucking excellent.

For me it was a combination of the activisty scene and a copper's truncheon, so I've opted for the latter as it's a little less embarrassing. I did read some books before that, but not enough to be fully convinced - the incident with the truncheon prompted me to read more books, so I guess books were part of the process too. And music probably helped as well.

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The fucking infuriating thing about threads like this is that instead of people seeing the MASSIVE flaws in anarchism it presents (ie that it attracts people as a subculture rather than from being actually of worth in of itself), it'll just reinforced in people the idea that it's good to orientate ourselves to activism and subcultures. roll eyes

it may infuriate you that many good comrades have been in, and continue to come from, activist subcultures or "countercultures", but as annoying and uncool it may be in your books, that is the state of the affairs.

Now i think you have couple options to react to this:

a) close the door behind you and say that the working class people who are currently in these subcultures are not worthy of your, or anyone elses, time, or

b) accept that these subcultures, as annoying and uncool it is, are still one good way of getting radicals into proper libertarian communist politics and it can spread from there.

I think your problem is that you see it as either/or, whereas people who argue against you see it as just one way of getting ideas and politics out there. Hardly a problem if someone chooses to spend a wee bit of time on it.

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Oh and for me, it's because my Mum was in Solidarity. I'll add an extra option (rich I hope you don't mind - delete it if you do!)

ok, so you are really cool wink Did you just start to listen to punk bands anyway? I thought no one would actually choose to listen to that kind of "music", but are driven to it when they internalise the frustration, anger and alienation of capitalism wink

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I started liking punk originally when I read about the Clash playing Rock Against Racism gigs. embarrassed

And the deal with it is that the whole subcultural thing is both the symptom and a cause of anarchists total irrelevance and weakness. It's not just something out there that we have to 'deal with' - the reason that so many people are attracted from subcultures is, and lets be honest here, for most other people being involved in anarchism is fucking stupid.

Which the fuck would anyone normal want to be involved in something that is totally ineffective, largely inhabited by anti-social fucks who think living in filth and stealing are changing the world and hasn't achieved anything remotely of value in years? If it continues to be a subcultural thing (which is bound to be the tendancy if we continue to 'recruit' from subcultures), then why the fuck are people going to want to be involved?

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You'd think a crypto-Trot like Jack would be able to spell "tendency." roll eyes

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For me it was a combination of the activisty scene and a copper's truncheon, so I've opted for the latter as it's a little less embarrassing. I did read some books before that, but not enough to be fully convinced - the incident with the truncheon prompted me to read more books, so I guess books were part of the process too. And music probably helped as well.

Was it that rant in the middle of that God Speed you Black Emperor track about America being a 3rd World country? wink

I was a socialist, and then talked loads to anarchists in the US, then read some stuff, Anarchist FAQ and ABC of anarchism mostly, and became one. Er so I put internet cos the FAQ was the key bit I think.

JDMF - what Jack's saying is that rather than present data showing what's more effective, it reflects the makeup of the movement. For example in a country where all the anarchists are punks (like the US) everyone would respond "through punk" - it doesn't mean that is the most effective way of building a movement (and certainly not a general workers' movement).

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For me it was a combination of circumstances. I considered myself a socialist/communist in my teens and was a trade unionist. I nearly joined the IS, WRP and Militant at various points.

The whole punk thing in 76/77 added that DIY idea. I developed a more libertarian/anarchistic outlook but was never fully convinced by anarchism, as I couldn’t see how we got from the present situation to a future society. It was only with reading about anarcho-syndicalism and the CNT that I started to identify myself as an anarcho-syndicalist and applying it to my work/trade union situation. I joined the DAM during the Miners Strike.

So it was a combination of trade-union/class struggle, reading, music and local group (M/c DAM). I think an important factor in the latter was that the people I met were sound and made a lot of sense.

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I was in the SWP and it was shit and a friend (who is now a Stalinist - go figure) gave me some books about Anarchism and took me to a local bookfair. So it was partly through activisty shit and partly through a friend.

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I saw the woman in the Anarchist t shirt on Nirvana's "Smells Like Teen Spirit" video ..............

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jack and john, i think we are in the agreement on this more than you guys believe wink But we can only play with the cards we are dealt with, and currently our level of organising and impact is so piss poor that i am happy spending some time getting more militants to our ranks.

And make no mistake, i do it everywhere, including my workplace, community and powerlifting club. And then the local activist/counterculture folks (of which i can be counted as being part of, eventhough i don't dress funny or smell dubious, well, usually i don't...).

Actually we should analyse how in other countries where there is a viable libertarian movement, like sweden, do it. In my experience, they do heavy "recruitment" in the counter cultures (they don't really have to, because the subcultures are so into it to start with) eventhough vast majority of the membership in SAC for instance are not from the subcultures at all.

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Yeah, and he hasn't even tried to convert me to veganism yet!

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Yeah, and he hasn't even tried to convert me to veganism yet!

its for the most part subconscious. Suddenly you are just going to wake up thinking, shit that just makes sense!

if that doesnt work i just beat you up.

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Yeah, and he hasn't even tried to convert me to veganism yet!

its for the most part subconscious. Suddenly you are just going to wake up thinking, shit that just makes sense!

if that doesnt work i just beat you up.

grin

My Mrs tried that approach on me, too. 2½ years, and I don't miss meat one bit.

*drool*

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Yeah, and he hasn't even tried to convert me to veganism yet!

its for the most part subconscious. Suddenly you are just going to wake up thinking, shit that just makes sense!

So what you're saying is you've been casting ancient Nordic spells on me?

eek

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Bought the t-shirt, not really, Bakunin came to me in a dream...ooer missus!

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read some malatesta when i was 14 and at the time stuart christie was living in the same area and producing literature locally and it kind of piqued my interest.

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Mark thomas on channel 4 when i was younger, london mayday on sky news every year and then genoa happened so i got involved.

Read a lot of orwell when is was growing up too.

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I first met an anarchist through this boy I was sort of dating. He was really intense at first and into punk and then he kind of veered off into some weird shit. I have recently t urned away from the punk thing as well...but he just went too far, or in the wrong direction I dont even know what his politics became, really intense though and I just found him to be depressing and annoying. He ended up a drunk ass hole but for meself I kind of got into anarchy, and still think it is is amazing as long as you can keep your head and not go overboard. I mean, what is one more burnt out ex anarchist? NOt much help thats what! Take care of yourself kids!!!!! violet black star

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Mixture of punk and watching riots like quebec and genoa on the telly.