Who for?

Labour/Lib Dem/Tory
0% (0 votes)
Respect/Socialist Alliance etc.
2% (1 vote)
Local community action group/ independent
11% (5 votes)
Right wing populist (BNP/UKIP etc.)
0% (0 votes)
None
86% (38 votes)
Total votes: 44

Comments

Jacques Roux
May 3 2006 22:16

So anyone going to vote tommorow? If so... who for?

I get two votes as usual 8) Think im I'm only gunna bother with one tho, if i do at all. Probably for local "community action group" thing which in my case is some local parents standing on stuff to do with kids education.

pingtiao
May 3 2006 22:25

yeah, they are standing in my area too...

Ellie voted one green and two libdem.

I'm not voting at all- although I maybe woiuld have done for the parents if I'd been bothered to look into it...

cantdocartwheels
May 3 2006 22:33

Since when are the BNP ''right wing populists''? roll eyes

admin: discussion on BNP split here.

I voted none in the end.

Steve
May 3 2006 23:16

I can't believe there is a "Will you be voting" thread on an anarchist forum. eek

Jacques Roux
May 3 2006 23:23

Dont be lame steve.

revol68
May 3 2006 23:26
rkn wrote:
Dont be lame steve.

he's not, seriously anymore of this leftist bollox and i might just start calling myself a left communist. angry

Jacques Roux
May 3 2006 23:28

Whats not lame about that?

Saying something along the lines of "thats not anarchist" is really really tired.

revol68
May 3 2006 23:29

how about that's not libertarian communist then?

Or that's really fucking shite, leftist bollox!

Jacques Roux
May 3 2006 23:30
revol68 wrote:
how about that's not libertarian communist then?

Thats better.

Still the arguement makes no sense tho wink

Steve
May 3 2006 23:34

Don't know about voting not being anarchist it's certainly not anarcho-syndicalist.

But I suppose I'm just an old fuddy duddy, living in the past and being anti-state and pro direct action, direct action in its fullest sense not just wearing a hoody and shouting at coppers.

Fuck it vote if you want to, it makes no sense to me. Perhaps it's post modernist or some such shite.

Jacques Roux
May 3 2006 23:37

Nope - im both anti-state and pro-direct action. I just dont think voting is bad on principle. I dont think it will ever change anything, beyond getting some trees planted etc. But it gives you something to talk about/ watch the news for - and i do think helping single issue campaigns (like the one i mentioned in my first post - getting a new school) is worthwhile.

revol68
May 3 2006 23:39

yeah, it's great, i mean it's not like your actively encouraging mystification or nothing. roll eyes

Steve
May 3 2006 23:39
rkn wrote:
I just dont think voting is bad on principle.

eek

I'm off to bed before I write something I'll regret in the morning.

Jacques Roux
May 3 2006 23:44
revol68 wrote:
yeah, it's great, i mean it's not like your actively encouraging mystification or nothing. roll eyes

Explain how.

Cantdo - I dont know what u are on about? The BNP's public image (and why people will vote for them) is not for whatever hidden ideology they have, but because they will be attracted to their single issue lines they have on certain subjects.

Quote:
I'm off to bed before I write something I'll regret in the morning.

Whatever you want. I dont see for something which doesnt matter either way why its nessecary to have a principled line on it. If you vote or if you dont vote the difference is minimal - so who cares which one u do?

cantdocartwheels
May 3 2006 23:46
revol68 wrote:
how about that's not libertarian communist then?

Or that's really fucking shite, leftist bollox!

So talking about the somewhat noticeable fact that an election is going on is ''shite leftist bollocks''? I suppose we can't talk about any politician either, and should pretend they don't exist, highly sensible approach that, worthy of a true left communist wink

jef costello
May 3 2006 23:53

I'm voting because some guy from HAID is standong and as my local council are a bunch of chisellors I'd rather have someone using that money for something vaguely useful.

ps any cabbies ou there send him some receipts, that way he can spend money on leaflets and pretend it was taxi fares, the mayor had about 45k last year!

Steven.
May 4 2006 00:19

I'm not gonna vote. I was talking to my co-workers today, cos I realised I don't know anyone who votes in local elections, and neither did they (1 israeli immigrant from like 10-15 years ago, one native)

Ramona
May 4 2006 00:43

Actually I know one of the guys standing more mayor of lewisham as an independent. He looks a bit like postman pat. Half of me feels I should vote for him cos he's a nice guy and everything and it's about the local schools campaign and stuff, but the other half thinks "fuck that, he's a closet tankie (i suspect) and I don't want to be voting for him or anybody else".

So I won't be voting.

georgestapleton
May 4 2006 02:10
cantdocartwheels wrote:
revol68 wrote:
how about that's not libertarian communist then?

Or that's really fucking shite, leftist bollox!

So talking about the somewhat noticeable fact that an election is going on is ''shite leftist bollocks''? I suppose we can't talk about any politician either, and should pretend they don't exist, highly sensible approach that, worthy of a true left communist :wink:

No, but talking about who you are going to vote for and why is shite leftist bollox.

JDMF
May 4 2006 07:18

hey this poll doesn't make much sense, should have coupled things like labour/libdem/tory in one, independent/campaign into one, then perhaps green/respect/misc leftie, no votin and other.

I dont undertstand this strong abstract hang up about elections in anarchism, since election boycott as a tactic doesn't work unless you are very well organised to defeat the election result afterwards. Capitalist democracy functions happily and claims legitimacy with 10-20% of the people voting.

I dont believe in these abstract principled stances of losing my freedom or something if i use 5 minutes of my time to vote for some dude who is going to get some trees planted in my neighborhood grin

PaulMarsh
May 4 2006 07:40

There was no Respect or CPB option either, both of whom are standing in Hackney.

martinh
May 4 2006 07:55
zobag wrote:
Actually I know one of the guys standing more mayor of lewisham as an independent. He looks a bit like postman pat. Half of me feels I should vote for him cos he's a nice guy and everything and it's about the local schools campaign and stuff, but the other half thinks "fuck that, he's a closet tankie (i suspect) and I don't want to be voting for him or anybody else".

Not sure he's actually that much in the closet!

He's basically a radical democrat (where most of the ex-CP are at) pissed off with the maladministration of this particular one party state. He says vote Socialist in one ward, Green in yours and mine, independent in another and Lib Dem or Tory in the rest.

But at least he's pro-swimming pool (as are all of the other 5 candidates, including the one knocking it down as incumbent roll eyes )

Regards

Martin

the button
May 4 2006 08:25

As a member of the board's Stevista grumpy old man tendency, I won't be voting.

We got canvassed last night (by the Lib Dems), for the first time in 2½ years. neutral In fact, we've had more electoral stuff through the door for these elections than we have for any other, the general election included.

the button
May 4 2006 09:17
Jack wrote:
It's something fucking easy to do, that anarchists do to make themselves 'pure'.

Like the denunciation of "activism," then? wink

revol68
May 4 2006 09:18

no, it is a fucking principle, and one that has came through over a hundred years of working class struggle!

I'm not saying we should be making a big deal with anti voting campaigns (especially since soo many people don't already) but I think we should have a principled fucking position on this!

As you said if they are so unimportant then surely it should be easy to stay principled. I mean look at the state of british democracy and yet some people on here will still vote, god fucking help us if there is ever a proper social democratic or reformist party running, youse would most probably be fucking canvassing for them!

the button
May 4 2006 09:24
Jack wrote:
Activism is easy to do, takes little to no thought and makes you feel better about yourself.
Jack could equally have wrote:
Slagging things off on the internet because they're "activist wank" is easy to do, especially since it doesn't involve leaving your house. Once you've learned that quote from the Solidarity pamphlet, it takes little or no thought, and man, you wouldn't believe how good it makes me feel about myself.
the button
May 4 2006 09:30
Jack wrote:
I think it DOES take a lot more effort to actually think about things, develop ideas and not just take the lazy way out and just D-lock myself to something.

... but you don't need to be Karl Marx (thank fuck wink ) to be aware that if those ideas arise divorced from concrete struggles, then the chances are they'll be irrelevant to concrete struggles.

the button
May 4 2006 09:31

Not that you're divorced from concrete struggles. Obviously. tongue

Jacques Roux
May 4 2006 09:33
JDMF wrote:
hey this poll doesn't make much sense, should have coupled things like labour/libdem/tory in one, independent/campaign into one, then perhaps green/respect/misc leftie, no votin and other.

Yeah... it was a shit way to set out the poll... it was done on a whim. I've adapted it. I didnt think green should go in with respect tho. So i just left them out wink

Obviously i totally agree with the rest of your post!

Steve
May 4 2006 09:34

Basically I agree with what revol just said. I haven’t voted for thirty years and just cannot think of any circumstances where I would take part in the whole farce. If I did go and vote no one would have to know of course but I would know. I cannot argue for alternatives to the present system then troll off down to the voting booth just because Vera Dodds is a nice neighbour or Joe Soap says he’s for the kid’s playground.

If you want to go and waste your time just do it but don’t try and justify it beyond what it is, a pointless game.