Who are you going to vote for?

Labour
2% (1 vote)
Tory
0% (0 votes)
Lib Dem
7% (3 votes)
Intentional Abstention
70% (30 votes)
Too lazy to vote
5% (2 votes)
Other party / alternative answer
16% (7 votes)
Total votes: 43

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gregorya
Jan 18 2005 13:09

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gregorya
Jan 18 2005 13:09

So, whats the current verdict on who to vote for in the next general election?

I'm generally reasoning that the Tories have no hope, and therefore Labour are bound to get in. That being the case, I'm best off voting for Lib-dems (I happen to agree with their policies, although that won't matter since they won't get in), since at least that a) means Labour have to compete with someone and don't get lazy, and b) Labour might realise that liberalism is alive and well.

Sound sensible?

Thoughts?

Alex

Anarchoanorak
Jan 18 2005 13:16

Yes, if you happen to agreed with the Lib dems'. No, if you want to engage in changing the world.

Tactical voting may ocassionally be useful, but it's hardly something to spend alot of time dicussing in the abstract.

the button
Jan 18 2005 13:28

Oh shit....... I'm the only voter so far. How sad does that make me? embarrassed

Jason Cortez
Jan 18 2005 13:43

Voting has been discussed b4 here http://enrager.net/forums/viewtopic.php?p=9490&highlight=#9490

Not saying you shouldn't ask again or anything, just thought you might like check it out.

Grace
Jan 18 2005 13:58

Hmmm, will I miss the election? 18 in June...

gregorya
Jan 18 2005 14:00

Oh, thanks, can't believe I didn't notice that one.

Deezer
Jan 18 2005 14:10

oh go away.

But first - Anarchists are not 'liberals', nor is anarchism 'liberalism' if you support the policies of the Liberal Democrats go and see if they have a forum, join the party even. Why not tell them they are Anarchists and see what they make of that?

As you've told us you agree with the Lib-Dems your problems with class analysis become clearer, the reasons you're posting here beome less clear. I think you've missed the point somewhere along the way and my will to live is slowly being drained.

I was gonna tell Saii he dealt with your contribution on class quite well but now I reckon, again, what is the point talking to some people?

Yes I'll admit this view is coloured by having to interact with assorted crackpots who reckon they're anarchists over the years but I can avoid them better (sometimes).

The track record of Sinn Fein while 'our' local assembly was up and running is surely proof if proof was needed that no matter who you vote for the government wins (these people, who still tell us that they are 'socialists', have closed hospitals, brought ppp and pfi into our schools, etc., and often made their decisions on what to close on a blatantly sectarian basis).

The SWP have proclaimed in the past in Northern Ireland 'vote Sinn Fein without illusions - build a socialist alternative' (very conducive to building up working class solidarity that), in Britain 'vote labour without illusions - build a socialist alternative'. Such slogans and slogans like them, and the people using them, foster illusions.

Surely the labour govt and Sinn Fein in action as MLAs and ministers at Stormont are proof, for whoever this sort of proof is necessary, of the utter futility of voting for politicians?

Or perhaps we need to adopt the slogan 'vote Lib-Dem without illusions - build an anarchist alternative' and wait 'til the Lib Dems actually get into power before we realise this is shite?

Spoil your vote and build an anarchist alternative.

circle A red n black star

gregorya
Jan 18 2005 14:45
Boulcolonialboy wrote:
oh go away.

But first - Anarchists are not 'liberals', nor is anarchism 'liberalism' if you support the policies of the Liberal Democrats go and see if they have a forum, join the party even. Why not tell them they are Anarchists and see what they make of that?

As you've told us you agree with the Lib-Dems your problems with class analysis become clearer, the reasons you're posting here beome less clear. I think you've missed the point somewhere along the way and my will to live is slowly being drained.

I meant I agreed with Lib Dem policies over the other parties' policies, of course I'm not damn well claiming they'd make the country into some anarchist utopia. Get a grip.

Caiman del Barrio
Jan 18 2005 14:49

What no November 9th Society?? sad

anna_key
Jan 18 2005 15:17

Whats November 9th Society?

Big Brother
Jan 18 2005 18:10

Whos' the mad nut voting labour?!?! Or was that a mistake? wink

Steven.
Jan 18 2005 18:43
anna_key wrote:
Whats November 9th Society?

LOL it's a nutty Nazi group, filled with strange pervy uniform-fetishists.

Deezer
Jan 18 2005 22:01
gregorya wrote:
Boulcolonialboy wrote:
oh go away.

But first - Anarchists are not 'liberals', nor is anarchism 'liberalism' if you support the policies of the Liberal Democrats go and see if they have a forum, join the party even. Why not tell them they are Anarchists and see what they make of that?

As you've told us you agree with the Lib-Dems your problems with class analysis become clearer, the reasons you're posting here beome less clear. I think you've missed the point somewhere along the way and my will to live is slowly being drained.

I meant I agreed with Lib Dem policies over the other parties' policies, of course I'm not damn well claiming they'd make the country into some anarchist utopia. Get a grip.

No that wasn't my point nor did I think it was yours. Perhaps you misread the build an anarchist alternative as meaning lets leap straight into an anarchist utopia - it was meant to refer to building an anarchist movemnent that could present anarchism as a credible alternative through its ideas and actions.

The point basically is, no matter what their pre-election policy, they will implement the agenda of the major interests in our society. Given we live in a capitalist society that means they will legislate in favour of capitalism.

circle A red n black star

BB
Jan 19 2005 13:02

I went to vote once in my youth, an intentional spoil my vote, although i was on the dole an had more time on my hands. It wasn't til a later date that i realised that in my own small way i was supporting the ideas of bourgouis democracy, ie: a vote of no confidence was saying that, i was against all the partys on offer, an not that the problem was the actual process itself!

The fly posting at local booths i'd done the night before was probably more usefull!

Big Brother
Jan 19 2005 18:57

what did you post?

Toxictears
Jan 19 2005 23:49

Is everyone voting!? I thought Anarchists didnt beleive in the current system? Isnt voting supporting it?

cantdocartwheels
Jan 23 2005 17:05
Big Brother wrote:
Whos' the mad nut voting labour?!?! Or was that a mistake? :wink:

In fairness i'd prefer someone voting for labour than lib dem.

Hopefully there'll be a nice low turn out this year.

Caiman del Barrio
Jan 23 2005 18:22
cantdocartwheels wrote:
Hopefully there'll be a nice low turn out this year.

Another typically upbeat sentiment from CAG's very own ray of sunshine... tongue

Caiman del Barrio
Jan 23 2005 18:23
Brighton Bomber wrote:
The fly posting at local booths i'd done the night before was probably more usefull!

Oooh!! This sounds interesting...

Vaneigemappreci...
Jan 23 2005 20:55

Best to only visit the polling centre for the purpose of scrawling some critique over the walls the night before, we could all graf over our local polling stations and see just how many people use this forum. I have my slogans at the ready! To be honest though the critique of universal suffrage is already in action, how many voted last time 60% odd?!

Caiman del Barrio
Jan 23 2005 21:24

59.6%. 8)

BB
Jan 25 2005 13:30
Alan_is_Fucking_Dead wrote:
Brighton Bomber wrote:
The fly posting at local booths i'd done the night before was probably more usefull!

Oooh!! This sounds interesting...

Not really, it was the "WANKERS" with pics of the 3 leaders at the time, john major, an blair an someone else (i think it was a class war fed poster). I've just remembered it was the year labour got voted in. I stayed at my gf's flat that night an there were some lefty student wankers cheering everytime, lab got a seat. And were keeping me awake, i had to go round 3 times telling them they were being anti-social, an it wouldn't change shit. The 4th time she went round cos i'd threatened them the last time. Fuck knows what she said, but it worked! 8)

Anarchoneilist
Jan 27 2005 18:48

An anarchist utopia may not happen soon, but it will never happen

(or at least without being taken over by vanguardists) without government

introducing some proper green policies.

So: vote Green (although they're not running in my end)

Anarchoneilist
Jan 27 2005 18:48

An anarchist utopia may not happen soon, but it will never happen

(or at least without being taken over by vanguardists) without government

introducing some proper green policies.

So: vote Green (although they're not running in my end)

Anarchoneilist
Jan 27 2005 18:48

An anarchist utopia may not happen soon, but it will never happen

(or at least without being taken over by vanguardists) without government

introducing some proper green policies.

So: vote Green (although they're not running in my end)

Thora
Jan 27 2005 18:51
Anarchoneilist wrote:
An anarchist utopia may not happen soon, but it will never happen

(or at least without being taken over by vanguardists) without government

introducing some proper green policies.

I don't understand what you mean confused Anarchy is more likely to happen if the govt is green? How/why?

Caiman del Barrio
Jan 27 2005 18:52

Considering how you posted that three times and then considering the content, I'm inclined to believe you're someone's alter ego.

Anarchoneilist
Jan 27 2005 18:54

I kept clicking and I realised I'd posted twice.

I now find out I posted three times instead!

Anarchoneilist
Jan 27 2005 18:55
Thora wrote:
Anarchoneilist wrote:
An anarchist utopia may not happen soon, but it will never happen

(or at least without being taken over by vanguardists) without government

introducing some proper green policies.

I don't understand what you mean confused Anarchy is more likely to happen if the govt is green? How/why?

Because of the impending environmental collapse.

Pepe
Jan 28 2005 15:45

Unfortunately i won't be old enough to decide not to vote.

I like to think that the 40% that don't vote are all anarchists.