The AF in Ireland

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Nov 2 2006 11:02
Jack wrote:
The one AF member in Ireland and not in Organise...

Why? Is there something specific in Organise! politics he disagrees with?

You'd have to ask him.

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Nov 2 2006 11:05
revol68 wrote:
appreciate your clarification, except for one thing, you clearly don't have a notion as to what this is about. The point about the AF is that it's members in ireland developed links with the ASF, put out joint bulletins on "the north" and "unions" and then merged, disbanding both previous organisations. This should have meant defacto that the AF in ireland no longer existed and as such any membership enquiries should have been directed to Organise! no matter where they live.

I'm sorry but this is a complete fucking non-issue. The AF is not seeking to organise in Ireland, North or Republic.

What is the point of carrying this on?

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Nov 2 2006 12:43

At our recent delegate meeting I raised the question of our relationship with anarchist groups in Ireland. I think the relationship has been quite weak recently and we should be working more closely - particularly since we got involved in the Rossport issue and because we face many other similar problems. Others agreed. That is our Ireland policy.

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Nov 2 2006 12:51

There's nothing to tell.

Why can't you just fucking drop it?

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Nov 2 2006 12:52

We have one member on the west coast. He is a full and active member, not just a supporter, he writes for Organise, Resistance and contributes to discussions. He also writes articles for your paper, doesn't he?

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Nov 2 2006 13:02

Wanting to get on better with Oragnise and the WSM

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Nov 2 2006 13:26

revol's just having a wind up so i wouldn't worry.

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Nov 2 2006 13:38

Revol quit being mean to knightrose, there's a good chap.

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Nov 2 2006 13:39
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What, using Boul's account? confused

confused confused

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Nov 2 2006 13:49

Boul might not have been on a wind up but revol was clearing winding this up as much as he possibly could.

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Nov 2 2006 13:49

Well yeah but about one post later on it became clear that he'd simply made a flippant comment which shouldn't have owt read into it, which then got leapt on like cats playing with string.

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Nov 2 2006 13:55

and what concern is it of yours anyway?

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Nov 2 2006 14:04

But quite frankly, what has it to do with you? You're not in Ireland and you're not interested in the AF, so why concern yourself with these matters?

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Nov 2 2006 14:25

revol has been given an answer several times over the last three pages:

  • We have a member in Ireland.
  • We are not seeking any further members in Ireland
  • Any inquiries about membership from Ireland would be directed towards Organise, since they're the group most similar to us in Ireland

Maybe this is an honest mix up, but it's not exactly helped when the same question gets asked over and over in different forms.

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Nov 2 2006 14:27

On a sidenote, why does www.organiseireland.org redirect to a dodgy search site?

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Nov 2 2006 14:34

Our website has been fucked for some time now because of the server which now seems to have been stolan by a company. We are in the process of setting up a new website.

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Nov 2 2006 14:37

see reply above

revol68 wrote:
No every response I have got has been somewhat evasive.

So let me try again.

If a person got in touch with the AF, said they didn't want to join Organise! but wanted to join the AF, would they be able to? And if this happened would they become the second AF member in Ireland? And say this member recruited a few more people to the AF, would it constitute an AF prescence in Ireland and would it seek to orgainse in Ireland as the AF?

Cos if this was the case I think the whole process that the Anarcho Syndicalist Federation and the Anarchist Federation (Ireland) went through is pretty fucking pointless.

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Nov 2 2006 14:40
revol68 wrote:
If a person got in touch with the AF, said they didn't want to join Organise! but wanted to join the AF, would they be able to? And if this happened would they become the second AF member in Ireland? And say this member recruited a few more people to the AF, would it constitute an AF prescence in Ireland and would it seek to orgainse in Ireland as the AF?

As far as I know, there's no reason they couldn't do that in theory. In practice, it's highly unlikely and something we would probably try to avoid.

That's as clear an answer as I can give, really.

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Nov 2 2006 14:57

Revol, Ned ain't little and he ain't a fuck. Think carefully about adressing people as if they were actually physically in front of you and the possible consequences- because, believe me those consequences could be grievious
And finally, wash your mouth out with soap and water

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Nov 2 2006 14:59
revol68 wrote:
No i've not been on a windup up you know nothing lil fuck.

Don't speak to me like that.

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Nov 2 2006 15:02

now now children

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Nov 2 2006 15:08

Is there any chance everybody could just calm down? This is getting fucking rediculous.

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Nov 2 2006 15:20

No , it's not a threat and I'm not Grandad Smurf. I'm asking you to consider whether you would speak to someone face to face in the same way as you do online, and frankly I doubt it from a brief encounter with you.

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Nov 2 2006 15:26

You already have several replies. I fail to see any mileage in carrying on with this.
And there are no excuses for your language

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Nov 2 2006 15:27
Jack wrote:
Ned made an accusation which in this instance was quite clearly wrong, and based upon what he expects from revol, not on what he actually posted - and thus in the long run, not productive.

No, I made an accusation which was quite clearly correct, and not based on what I expect but on what he had acutally posted.

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Nov 2 2006 15:32

this is getting like paxman

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Nov 2 2006 15:35

I can assure people that neither me nor revol or on a wind up. Will the AF in Britain be accepting members in Ireland or not?

Like I said before that would seem to undo the really very recent work that went into the ASF - AF Ireland merger and be a position that undermines Organise! and yer former comrades in the AF Ireland.

And this has been met with evasion, or perhaps the AF in Britain never really paid any attention to what its comrades were doing at the time of the merger confused

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Nov 2 2006 15:38
revol68 wrote:
So you think i'm on a wind up?

I do indeed. And you've now thrown in personal insults as well.

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Nov 2 2006 15:40

They’ve said repeatedly that they would direct people to Organise who showed an interest in the AF in Ireland, how is that unclear?

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Nov 2 2006 15:42
revol68 wrote:
nastyned wrote:
Jack wrote:
Ned made an accusation which in this instance was quite clearly wrong, and based upon what he expects from revol, not on what he actually posted - and thus in the long run, not productive.

No, I made an accusation which was quite clearly correct, and not based on what I expect but on what he had acutally posted.

So you think i'm on a wind up? Because it clearly would be strange to be a bit interested in the fact the AF see itself as having a presence in Ireland, despite the fact it was suppoused to have dissolved itself about 3 years ago? Add into this a collection of ambigious answers in regards to their acceptance of new members.

I think its very clear that you are on a wind up, as you have obsessed over minutiae to create a totally contrived conflict despite being able to acertain an answer some time ago. Simply look at what has been written: AF would direct people in Ireland who enquired to Organise. AF has one member in ireland, but they are not recruiting. The first post on this thread was wrong, but other than that its been crystal clear: the only problem was that it wasn't word perfect, and we all said the same in in very very slightly different ways. The reason for this is that the likelihood of someone applying from Ireland and refusing to look into Organise instead is very low, and it has never happened. Therefore we have not got an exact response.

I think it is also clear that continuing the 'debate' in the manner that you have has only demonstrated why people could assume you were on a wind up. Calling people 'little fucks'or 'Grandpa smurfs' and being aggressive again and again is not conducive to cordial relations.