The AF in Ireland

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Battlescarred
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Nov 2 2006 15:47

Chortle
But even funnier is the idea of Revol as Paxman (or indeed Pacman)

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Nov 2 2006 15:51
Battlescarred wrote:
Chortle
But even funnier is the idea of Revol as Paxman (or indeed Pacman)

"Did you fucking threaten to over-rule him, you wee shite?"

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Nov 2 2006 16:11

How active are you in organise Revol BTW?

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Nov 2 2006 16:14
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It shouldn't be an issue of the AF directing them towards Organise! first. It should be a matter of the AF not accepting further membership in Ireland.

Well that would sound more like a question as to whether they consider themselves semi or entirely (unofficially?) affiliated to Organise in Ireland as a result of the merger - from the sounds of things the question of such a status hasn't been discussed, in which case they're within their rights not to answer the question on behalf of their comrades no? It might be a better idea to ask it of their international secretary and get em to clear the matter up as an organisation if this is the case.

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Nov 2 2006 16:20
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Calling people 'little fucks'or 'Grandpa smurfs' and being aggressive again and again is not conducive to cordial relations.

neithers maintaining an organisation when it's suppoused to be dissolved.

Not really the same thing is though mate?

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Nov 2 2006 16:22
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no one for a second thought he or the AF considered him "an AF presence in Ireland"

Perhaps you could ask said presence what he thinks?

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Nov 2 2006 16:25
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Calling people 'little fucks'or 'Grandpa smurfs' and being aggressive again and again is not conducive to cordial relations.

neithers maintaining an organisation when it's suppoused to be dissolved.

Not really the same thing is though mate?

quite right they aren't on the same scale at all and please stop calling me your mate.

Its a vocal tick. I also do it to suggest, dishonestly, to outside observers, that these conversations are actually carried out between people with shared intent and sympathies, rather than bizarre slanging matches. Believe me, i have a somewhat unfraternal disposition to your good self. I hope that changes. But why do you wish to maintain animousity? I really don't get what you derive from it.

Let me know mate.
Your pal,
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Nov 2 2006 16:29

Tacks and revol, be nice, I'm watching...

edit - revol posted while I did - keep personal shit of this thread yeah? I've warned you about this days ago on the class war board

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Nov 2 2006 16:31

Actually, I'll side with revol a bit here. I was being evasive. Because I don't know what our "Irish presence" thinks and didn't want to speak for him. And initially I was trying to avoid giving away any info that could direct anyone into knowing just who said comrade is. For that sorry.

I would ask, though, where is Organise organised? I thought in the north of Ireland.
Secondly, what's this obsession with national or geographical boundaries?
Third, is membership of Organise dependent on agreement with a set of principles?

And here I go stirring things up again.

But finally, our policy, from our constition is , I think, and I may be wrong, that we don't accept new members from outside of Britain. The trouble is that it's so old it's been buried away and needs dusting off.

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Nov 2 2006 16:36

I'd argue that it's the intentions of the group that counts rather than tabled policy.

Knightrose made a flippant comment, not a statement of intent, and has since retracted it. AF clearly have no plans to start anything in Ireland, so there's really not a lot to be worried about. Beyond that, we're talking theoreticals, and ones which clearly can't be answered here because they haven't got a defined policy, whether you like this or not, so badgering them about it won't achieve vewry much.

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Nov 2 2006 16:44

Even if we intended to start a group in Ireland, I don't see how we could do so. So Revol doesn't really need to worry.

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Nov 2 2006 16:47
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On the other hand there is an interesting discussion to be had about geographical and national organising.

Well, can it be separated off into somewhere where it can be theoretical and not divisive?

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Nov 2 2006 16:48

enough now. I'm off to a meeting about Rossport in Manchester that we've organised.

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Nov 2 2006 22:07

Just back. 25 people turned up. The first meeeting of the speaking tour. Quite a few up for some solidarity action in Manchester. Inspiring talk by visiting WSM speaker smile

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Nov 2 2006 22:16

I hope you've tucked him up safely in bed - he needs his sleep.

knightrose
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Nov 2 2006 22:37

nah, we're finishing off a bottle of wine at the moment.

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Nov 2 2006 22:55

Get him to sing... grin

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Nov 2 2006 23:00

raised £58 in the collection too. Next stop on the tour is Scarborough (did I hear you say, "Where?")

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Nov 2 2006 23:10

Go on the Sean Mallory!

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Nov 2 2006 23:14

Was the fat bloke in Sliders Brian Blessed?

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Nov 3 2006 10:00
knightrose wrote:
Just back. 25 people turned up. The first meeeting of the speaking tour. Quite a few up for some solidarity action in Manchester. Inspiring talk by visiting WSM speaker :)

didn't know he was from WSM!

It was a good talk indeed.

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Nov 3 2006 11:31
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Was the fat bloke in Sliders Brian Blessed?

No that's John Rhys-Davies. He was Gimli from Lord of the rings, also Sallah in Indiana Jones.

Biog

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Nov 3 2006 12:07

And a fascist, IIRC.

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Nov 3 2006 13:36
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Was the fat bloke in Sliders Brian Blessed?

No that's John Rhys-Davies. He was Gimli from Lord of the rings, also Sallah in Indiana Jones.

Biog

Shit i've been attributing all of those roles, and the fascism, to Brian Blessed.

Welease Bwian.

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Nov 3 2006 13:48

If it makes you feel any better, looks like I fucked up about the "fascism" thing, he's just a xenophobic old Tory twat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Rhys-Davies#Political_Views

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Nov 3 2006 13:53

no no i knew that, i expect you to over egg the pudding by a factor of 3 mate grin

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Nov 3 2006 13:55

has anyone noticed that the comrade who asked the original question has not returned to libcom after this barrage smile We sometimes forget how silly these arguments look to someone new...

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Nov 3 2006 14:03
revol68 wrote:
it's pretty embarrassing when an organisation doesn't have a baldy.

cool

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Nov 3 2006 15:11

Long live democratic centralism!!

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Nov 3 2006 20:48

I am a member of the Anarchist Federation and live in Ireland. I work closely with members of the WSM. I am not a member of the WSM because I have certain political differences with them (lack of green politics and softness on nationalism mostly). Being a member of Organise! would be totally irrelevant to me as myself and that group are not working in the same areas at all (either geographically or politically). It would actually make more sense for me to be in the WSM.
I like the AF, find I can learn from people in it, and sometimes the AF is useful to the concrete work I'm engaged in.
Big deal.
None of the above is a great secret and is nothing I havn't said many times before.
Most of the above thread is silly.
I would urge anyone to join any anarchist organisation which is useful to them in their participation in struggle and which they feel politically comfortable with, be that the WSM, the AF, Organise!, or any other.
People who think there is any serious issue raised in this thread need to get out more and spend less time concerning themselves with this or that micro-group.