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gypsy
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Nov 11 2010 11:06
Weeler wrote:

Funny how ten nationals ran with the same pic today;

Yeah weird that, good pic though.

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Nov 11 2010 11:17
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Newsnight had the inevitable "why did the protest have to turn nasty" debate with the predictable choices of Porter and Simon Hughes, Lib Dem minister. There was however a mature student refusing to play ball with the silly questions about why windows need to be smashed, was involved in the fun and games in Millbank and got the last word by telling Hughes that this is just the start, with direct action and a slew of occupations to come which she fully supports.

Im about to watch that, but before i get to it, im guessing that the "mature student" you refer to was Claire Soloman, president of the University of London Union, union for all UofL students. Shes a trot connect to counterfire i think, but shes very militant. A brief debate as to whether she should be kicked off the ASN e-list was sparked up like the day before the march, but nothing has come of it yet. Apparently she has been told off by fellow trots by descibing us (im not sure whether she means anarchists or the left in general) as "cousins".

Aye, that's the one. I did mean to mention she was the leader of the ULU. She's one of those novelty Trots then, eh?

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Nov 11 2010 11:21
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WorkersDreadnought wrote:
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Newsnight had the inevitable "why did the protest have to turn nasty" debate with the predictable choices of Porter and Simon Hughes, Lib Dem minister. There was however a mature student refusing to play ball with the silly questions about why windows need to be smashed, was involved in the fun and games in Millbank and got the last word by telling Hughes that this is just the start, with direct action and a slew of occupations to come which she fully supports.

Im about to watch that, but before i get to it, im guessing that the "mature student" you refer to was Claire Soloman, president of the University of London Union, union for all UofL students. Shes a trot connect to counterfire i think, but shes very militant. A brief debate as to whether she should be kicked off the ASN e-list was sparked up like the day before the march, but nothing has come of it yet. Apparently she has been told off by fellow trots by descibing us (im not sure whether she means anarchists or the left in general) as "cousins".

Aye, that's the one. I did mean to mention she was the leader of the ULU. She's one of those novelty Trots then, eh?

She sounds allrite to me.

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Nov 11 2010 11:52

true

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Nov 11 2010 11:56

http://ianbone.wordpress.com/2010/11/11/tory-hq-riot-report-from-class-war-students/

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Nov 11 2010 12:13
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Claire Soloman [sic.]

Well, I'm sure she's not all bad but she had a very bad, bureaucratic role in winding down the SOAS occupation in support of cleaners victimised by immigration raid without anything but a token statement.

http://thecommune.co.uk/2009/06/19/soas-occupation-ends-with-mixed-results/

http://thecommune.co.uk/2009/06/29/soas-occupation-challenges-immigration-raid-with-mixed-results/

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Nov 11 2010 12:45

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Nov 11 2010 12:48

from the Newsline of the WRP

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They gave out leaflets urging everyone to join them when they finish their march from Manchester at Queen Mary University, east London, on Sunday November 21, and they got a great reception from students.

Hundreds of students laid siege to the Tory party headquarters in Millbank Tower yesterday afternoon, while others managed to make their way to the roof where they unfurled a banner.

This was after a rally at nearby Tate Britain organised by NUS and UCU leaders.

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Coachloads of students kept on arriving and the rally at Tate Britain was told that students were still setting off from Whitehall.

Riot police were later sent to Millbank.

The march assembled near Trafalgar Square and went past Downing Street and the Houses of Parliament.

...

sad

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Nov 11 2010 12:52

Weeler (in his element here):

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At least that trot has bothered to force her way into the media to launch a defence of the day's events, a ground always abandoned by anarchists.

Since the "ground always abandoned" is always polluted quicksand that sucks you in, it's obvious that this is ideal ground for Trots avid for their 15 minutes' worth of radical celebrity before the ground swallows them up...And did she "force her way" or was her way freely opened up for her?

In France the ground abandoned gave it 2nd main item on the evening news yesterday, and gave it the main item - 4 minutes worth - on the French version of euronews at 6am this morning. By lunch it didn't even get a mention. Wonder why. Maybe it's because the fact that even if sad repressed UK is exploding, then the movements in France, having influenced what's happening in the UK (plenty of slogans about Greece and France, as far as I can see) could in return be influenced by the UK (I don't think the main building of any French governing party has ever been attacked like Millbank was yesterday, though plenty of local ones have).
How have other country's media presented this?

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Nov 11 2010 13:13

Samotnaf:
I think given the media going on about the 'anarchists' doing everything, anarchists could 'force' their way into being interviewed to be honest. Don't see how that could be a bad thing, just seeing pictures of 'anarchists' trashing stuff doesn't really get out an anarchist take on the cuts and how to resist them, or an anarchist response to the demo and the violence.

From AF:
http://www.afed.org.uk/blog/community/209-the-students-are-revolting-report-on-the-occupation-of-millbank-tower.html

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Nov 11 2010 13:19
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Like they've just stepped out of an episode Citizen Smith, jesus i hated the eighties, you kids won't learn, style guru signing off see you next year!
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Nov 11 2010 13:27

REINO UNIDO | Subida de las tasas universitarias
¿Por qué se rebelan los jóvenes británicos?

http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2010/11/11/internacional/1289465775.html

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Nov 11 2010 14:35

a nice piece fron the AWL: http://www.workersliberty.org/story/2010/11/11/violence-minority-we-should-celebrate-millbank-protesters

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Nov 11 2010 15:20
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How have other country's media presented this?

I rarely watch TV but the Greek newspapers online reported the Tory HQ actions are the work of a minority that was condemned by the student organizers.

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Nov 11 2010 15:21
Costas wrote:
Samotnaf wrote:
How have other country's media presented this?

I rarely watch TV but the Greek newspapers online reported the Tory HQ actions are the work of a minority that was condemned by the student organizers.

same with most German papers

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Nov 11 2010 15:30

I think there are real problems with this 'nice piece' of Entdinglichung's.
"We repeat, unashamedly, that people’s right to education and a decent life is more important than the property of corporations and their political wing, the Conservative Party." Leaving aside the notion that a decent life is somehow possible for the majority of people under capitalism, the article reinforces the idea, clearly on display yesterday, that the Tories are the real enemy, and that, implicitly, the Labour Party when in power aren't similarly 'the political wing of corporations' (though, of course they and the Tories are much more than that too).
The article goes on: "In the 1984-5 miners’ strike, Margaret Thatcher's Tory government set out to destroy a powerful union and devastate whole communities, as part of its more general drive against the working class. When the miners fought back, and met police violence with violence of their own, they were right to do so! Aaron Porter stands in the disgraceful tradition of Labour leader Neil Kinnock, who instead of backing the strike and fighting for its victory condemned the violence of the striking miners." Disgraceful tradition? WTF? This was a bourgeois leader defending his class. There are real dangers of capital's left wing (and that includes Workers Liberty) railroading current anger into anti-toryism.

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Nov 11 2010 16:10
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anarchists, who for a full day now have remained 100% absent from the debate on yesterday's events

http://www.afed.org.uk/blog/community/209-the-students-are-revolting-report-on-the-occupation-of-millbank-tower.html and is being sent to press

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Nov 11 2010 17:28

http://www.socialiststudents.org.uk/page.php?article=1646 ... the SP/Militant's student wing seems to avoid talking about about "it" so far

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Nov 11 2010 17:41
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Ended up talking briefly to posh bloke on bus who was a former NUS president and is now a lawyer and was salivating about the prospect of bringing charges against them. I couldn't be bothered to argue with him, I've had my MP storm off down the street shouting at me already this week so I don't need the excitement :)

Former NUS pres -

And another one

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Nov 11 2010 18:39
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Now we reach the point where hacks should refuse to do the work of the police;
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/uknews/8125764/Do-you-recognise-these-student-rioters.html

Fuck, this is the first day ever where i wish that ridiculous Hacklab shit ever got off the ground. The Torygraph site needs to be brought down.

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Nov 11 2010 18:50
Weeler wrote:
At least that trot has bothered to force her way into the media to launch a defence of the day's events, a ground always abandoned by anarchists.

Anarchists have given interviews to Radio 1, BBC News, Channel 5 News and on talk sport tonight at 10pm

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Nov 11 2010 19:25
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At least that trot has bothered to force her way into the media to launch a defence of the day's events, a ground always abandoned by anarchists.

You make it sound like an open mic night. She was a student, leader of a London student union and a NUS officer which gave Paxman the opportunity to point out even they aren't listening to the leadership, hardly surprising they asked her on. Besides, when the media does want 'anarchists', it opts for people like Ian Bone along with some rope to hang themselves with, or look very silly.

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Nov 11 2010 20:10

I just wanted to say how heartening it was to see so many young people just going for it and letting off some steam - the joy on their faces took me back to the poll tax days!

Well done students and other youth for brightening up an otherwise tediously dull NUS a-to-b. Hopefully, the students will continue to be involved in the wider anti-cuts movement.

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Nov 11 2010 20:43

I showed the videos to my form group in school today and they loved it! smile

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Nov 11 2010 20:57

From the Daily Torygraph

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The Radical Workers’ and Students’ Bloc, identified by red and black flags flown from the roof of Millbank Tower, was organised by the Anarchist Federation, along with the London Solidarity Foundation. The Leeds Class War group and the Whitechapel Anarchist Group also confirmed yesterday that they were involved in the trouble.

The London Solidarity Foundation...well I never. I better ask the comrades at SolFed about this interesting development.

How about this one from a commentator:

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Well if the police aren't monitoring twitter and other sites, I wonder what M15 and GCHQ are for?
If they are protesting with violence and damage, they are criminals.
And if they terrorise people indiscriminately, they are terrorists.
If they are anarchists, they are both of the above in a lib democracy
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Nov 11 2010 21:03

Lib dem MP Martin Horwood ups the ante of pathetic smears, and says of "hardcore of demonstrators" he would be "surprised if they were students" (via Laura Kuenssberg's twitter).

So yeah, definitely FULL TERRORISTS.

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Nov 11 2010 21:03
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From the Daily Torygraph
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The London Solidarity Foundation...well I never. I better ask the comrades at SolFed about this interesting development.

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Nov 11 2010 21:03

This one is simply the best!

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From what accounts I can find on the net for instance, the grandly named Whitechapel Anarchists Group are a dozen or so elderly ex-punks with a den, sort of The Double Deckers with added Kropotkin. But like anybody else, given a mob situation they can strike a blow against Kapitalism before retiring back to Whitechapel for a celebratory round of cider and black.
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Nov 11 2010 23:10

the daily telegraph wants everyone to grass up any 'rioters' by emailing studentriots@telegraph.co.uk so if anyone wants to have a bit of fun...for instance, I'm sure every single 'rioter' was actually NUS top-tosser Aaron Porter.

admin: edit to fix e-mail address, please use.

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Nov 12 2010 00:16

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