Anti-education cuts demo - 10 November

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Nov 12 2010 00:27
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Fair enough to be honest.

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Nov 12 2010 00:32
mons wrote:
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Fair enough to be honest.

huh? I couldn't delete the post.

mons
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Nov 12 2010 00:52
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huh? I couldn't delete the post

Ha, oh sorry, I'm an idiot.

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Nov 12 2010 00:53
Tommy Ascaso wrote:
Could London SF do Sky for libel?

from memory no, as it has to be on the balance of the article, not just a completely unfounded headline; all we're quoted as saying is pretty banal.

there's also the fact we're revolutionary anarchists advocating the overthrow of parliamentary democracy, so being associated with a riot hardly lowers our reputation in the eyes of 'the reasonable man'.

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Nov 12 2010 03:14
krink wrote:
the daily telegraph wants everyone to grass up any 'rioters' by emailing studentriots@telegraph.co.uk so if anyone wants to have a bit of fun...for instance, I'm sure every single 'rioter' was actually NUS top-tosser Aaron Porter.

admin: edit to fix e-mail address, please use.

Useful photo of some violent student thugs here, complete with handy guide to who's who:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-435875/Camerons-cronies-Bullingdon-class-87.html

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Nov 12 2010 10:06

Anarchists interviews on Talk Sport and BBC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WTzkmXyn7Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5ls6t7h6q8

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Nov 12 2010 10:41
raw wrote:
Anarchists interviews on Talk Sport and BBC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WTzkmXyn7Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5ls6t7h6q8

Nice.

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Nov 12 2010 12:12

Sounds like a good Christmas party!

Mike Harman
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Nov 12 2010 13:22

Sensible student vs. NUS/SaveEMA idiot on Sky News, nice that they edited the video so that one of them got about 25 seconds seconds and the other two minutes roll eyes

edit: link might help http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/video/Student-Protests-Is-Violent-Direct-Action-Justified/Video/201011215800400?lpos=video__Video_Player___1&lid=VIDEO_15800400_Student_Protests:_Is_Violent_Direct_Action_Justified_

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Nov 12 2010 13:37

which I hadn't been at work!

Mike Harman
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Nov 12 2010 14:31

Goldsmiths UCU issues statement in support of the millbank smashing: http://homepages.gold.ac.uk/ucu/index.html

Guardian talking up 24th November (also most positive comments I've seen anywhere the past couple of days) http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2010/nov/11/students-protests-national-24-november

Looks like the fire extinguisher droppage wasn't made up: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/nov/11/student-protest-demonstrator-fire-extinguisher

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Nov 12 2010 16:03
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Sure, you can think the black bloc is a good tactic (which is all it is, a tactic on demos, not at all like "other form of struggles" for it isn't a struggle) without dismissing more meaningful activity but surely you don't think it's a good idea in every situation, especially a demonstration like the one in question that doesn't call for it and is stepping on the toes of an attempt to do something different rather than smash windows, battle coppers for hours and bring the city to a standstill*.

*But not being the 90's anymore, will instead turn out with kettling and tedium.

grin

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Nov 12 2010 16:24

I'm very happy to stand corrected!

Mike Harman
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Nov 12 2010 17:22

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=134751449911080

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Nov 12 2010 23:19

The reaction on campus at York for the last 48 hours has been dire. The president of the SU has condemned the occupation, and both papers on campus have run smear stories, one actually identifying two students from York as being in the building. It's interesting though. The ratings system for the comments on their websites has really slaughtered the comments attacking militant action.

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Nov 13 2010 12:44

I've been surprised in that I've (mostly) heard a positive reaction to the events of the demo. Most people seem to be connecting it to the general programme of austerity measures, rather than just being a student protest. Particuraly strong from those I know who rely on benefits for some form of survival.

It's also interesting that the talk from the NUS and elsewhere of the violence being from 'infiltrators' has largely not caught on. Probably because the images from the violence were largely of 'normal' people rather than shadowy anarchists? Either way the reaction has been much more in favour than I'd have imagined beforehand, especially considering the normal attitude towards students.

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Nov 13 2010 13:01

Does anyone know about the anticuts.com / 24th November call-out? Is there much momentum for occupations etc. on that date?

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Nov 13 2010 13:15
Mike Harman wrote:
Does anyone know about the anticuts.com / 24th November call-out? Is there much momentum for occupations etc. on that date?

without saying much specific, plans are being made locally and there feels like the momentum for some interesting things to happen. i know that's cryptic, but lots of people seem up for it and meetings have been 3 times bigger than usual since wednesday, both of the stop the cuts group and communists/anarchists getting their heads together.

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Nov 13 2010 13:17
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It's also interesting that the talk from the NUS and elsewhere of the violence being from 'infiltrators' has largely not caught on. Probably because the images from the violence were largely of 'normal' people rather than shadowy anarchists?

Yeah even the news coverage has been contradictory on this because it was so blatantly obvious from the footage that it was both a large number of people and a wide variety as well. This won't last long but it's a sign that a lot of people have been caught off guard (and let's be frank that includes pretty much everyone on this thread as well).

Also, this:

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Nov 13 2010 13:22
Joseph Kay wrote:
without saying much specific, plans are being made locally and there feels like the momentum for some interesting things to happen. i know that's cryptic, but lots of people seem up for it and meetings have been 3 times bigger than usual since wednesday, both of the stop the cuts group and communists/anarchists getting their heads together.

Cryptic is fine smile

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Nov 13 2010 15:53

http://anticuts.org.uk/?p=655

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Nov 13 2010 16:10
raw wrote:
Anarchists interviews on Talk Sport and BBC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WTzkmXyn7Y

Jesus what an insufferable cunt the TalkSport host is. This Kevin guy must be a stoic sage to be able to sustain an argument for 10 minutes with that type of hysterical populist scum.

Also, it seems they've arrested the fire extinguisher man:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/nov/12/student-fees-protest-fire-extinguisher

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Nov 13 2010 16:25

Anyone in London organising for this? I'm trying to organise a walkout of my school and I don't know what will happen afterwards, it would be best to congregate with other uni/school groups.

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Nov 13 2010 19:36
krink wrote:
the daily telegraph wants everyone to grass up any 'rioters' by emailing studentriots@telegraph.co.uk so if anyone wants to have a bit of fun...for instance, I'm sure every single 'rioter' was actually NUS top-tosser Aaron Porter.

admin: edit to fix e-mail address, please use.

I'd go further and call for someone with the sufficient internet savvy to sign this address up to every mass spammer possible so that it collapses.

Also, Aaron Porter has a speaking date in London next week...

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Nov 13 2010 20:19
Stranger Than Paradise wrote:
Anyone in London organising for this? I'm trying to organise a walkout of my school and I don't know what will happen afterwards, it would be best to congregate with other uni/school groups.

Have you got in touch with NCAFC? You should be able to reach them at againstfeesandcuts@gmail.com. They should give you advice about what's likely to be happening in London on the 24th.

~J.

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Nov 13 2010 20:32
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Also, Aaron Porter has a speaking date in London next week...

More info from the good ol' e lists:

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Room K4U.12 Kings College on the Strand, 6pm Education Activist Meeting: big, post Wednesday meeting, with speeches and perhaps some planning / working towards agreement and co-ordination around 24th November Walkout and Day of Action
http://anticuts.com/category/region/london

Kings Meeting was called by http://educationactivistnetwork.wordpress.com/ and will feature a speech from the increasingly controversial figure, NUS President Aaron Porter.

See you there ( map of Kings location: http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=kings+college+the+strand&oe=UTF-8&ie=UTF8&hl=en&hq=King's+College+London&hnear=King's+College+London,+57+Waterloo+Rd,+Southwark,+City+of+London+SE1+8UB,+United+Kingdom&ll=51.512856,-0.116472&spn=0.037071,0.059137&z=14&iwloc=A

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Nov 14 2010 11:38

Didn't see actually see it, was reading/watching stuff online instead, but it was on the news in Japan this week. Also a friend of a friend saw a student outside Hohsei University in Tokyo on a megaphone with a crowd around them talking about the protests, didn't get any details on what they were saying though.

edit: sorry for yet more Guardian spam but it's interesting to see the tone change over the past four days - http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2010/nov/14/millbank-student-protests-analysis and http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2010/nov/12/tuc-joins-student-protests
Looks like the main unions have a tentative date of March 26th 2011 for co-ordinated action, only five months away...

Also wtf is this NUS recalling Lib Dems bollocks about - surely that just means putting Labour or Tory candidates in instead?

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Nov 14 2010 11:50

I take it people have seen this article in the Telegraph, which mentions autonomous students a lot, and libcom.

We were thinking we should say something general about anonymity on here as a result:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/8131296/The-lawyers-son-behind-the-student-protests.html

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Nov 14 2010 12:00

eek

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Nov 14 2010 12:06

Looks like they had to put some effort in on getting his name - finding the registration of a group at a university as opposed to picking it up online.

It won't do much, but I could hide the user tracker tab from anonymous users on here, that'd at least make it harder for the really lazy to go through people's posting history like that?