Anarko - Akbar - 'Muslim anarchism'

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Aug 3 2005 18:57
Anarko - Akbar - 'Muslim anarchism'

http://www.bayyinat.org.uk/mouth.htm

hmmm roll eyes

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Anarchism is a hermeneutic through which I approach and realise the truth. In Islam, the only submission that I can live by is that which is embraced with the spirit of freedom and with my heart full of joy. And so in the Name of Allah, I testify that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad (aws) is God's prophet and messenger; and in seeking to establish a peaceful and loving relationship with The One through revelation, reason and God's signs, I hereby refuse to compromise with any form of institutional power, be it judicial, religious, social, corporate or political, insha Allah.
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Aug 3 2005 19:01

References EP Thompson. eek

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Aug 3 2005 19:30

Hi

I have no problem with people of strong religious beliefs having left-anarchist politics; it is inevitable and desirable. However, in their case, a special commitment must be made against sectarian intimidation and towards a tolerance for the beliefs of others.

I have to say that this chap seems reasonable enough, and I wouldn’t discourage him from his line of thought.

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Chris

(edited to put a hyphen in between "left" and "anarchist")

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Aug 3 2005 20:23

Not totally on topic, but related, there is an islamic sect based on Shia whose members are vegan, take part in many earth/enviro/social justice issues, and use a lot of the same rhetoric than your typical anarcho crew does:

http://www.taliyah.org/

They have also compared themselves to anarchism, and even said "no gods no masters" since allah is everywhere and not just a separated "god" creature or some bullshit like that.

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Aug 4 2005 00:17

Some stuff on Islam and anarchism on the newswire:

Towards an anti-authoritarian islam

http://www.libcom.org/newswire/stories.php?story=04/12/25/4430473

the trouble with islam:

http://www.libcom.org/newswire/stories.php?story=04/02/15/1753193

Anarchist Orientalism and the Muslim Community in Britain

http://www.libcom.org/newswire/stories.php?story=04/02/09/1866934

There's also a feature on www.anarkismo.net

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Aug 4 2005 08:37

greets

for an historical perspective you might find:

"Ninth Century Muslim Anarchists" by Patricia Crone in "Past and Present" #167 pp 3-28

of interest.

but then again maybe you may not

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Aug 4 2005 12:17

There have historically been many anarchist Christians, Tolstoy being the famous one.

kalabine
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Aug 4 2005 18:47

i've got no problem with genuinely anarchistic/libertarian/leftist christians or muslims tbh

Lazlo_Woodbine
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Aug 4 2005 19:14

Me neither -- oshit now I'm joining the AF do I have to start being totally anti-religious?

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Aug 4 2005 19:32

I've told all the members of my local union branch that I'm against them. And I sat outside the meeting leafleting them with full reasons why. While the meeting was going on I occasionally knocked on the door and told them that I was still there, I was outside, and I was against them.

So I'll just do the same for my local church and mosque, shall I?

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Aug 4 2005 19:34

Hi

It's OK for the AF to reject applications for membership from those with strong religious beliefs on conflict of interest grounds.

Love

Chris

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Aug 4 2005 19:42
Lazy Riser wrote:
Hi

It's OK for the AF to reject applications for membership from those with strong religious beliefs on conflict of interest grounds.

Love

Chris

i agree with that as well....

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Aug 4 2005 23:31
kalabine wrote:
i've got no problem with genuinely anarchistic/libertarian/leftist christians or muslims tbh

The way I look at it, if you're religious in the sense of believing in a God, you don't necessarily have a lot of choice about it. If you have a genuine unshakeable belief in God, but that leads you to a rejection of organised religion and institutional hierarchy of all kinds, then fair enough. I can't genuinely decide to believe in a particular religion just like that, people won't just decide not to believe in one they already do.

I think we stand more chance of getting everyone in favour of economic and social self-management, and eventually making and defending a revolution to consolidate gains, than we do persuading everyone to be humanists. The second is the job of philosophy, not social revolution, and although they're linked, I don't think atheism is essential to acting as a anarchist or libertarian communist.

Pretty sure the IWMA didn't have any requirements as regards religious belief at all - Bakunin thought people would reject religion through participating in the process of economic struggle, not the other way 'round.

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Aug 4 2005 23:38

Hi

Did it have requirements as per gender?

Love

Chris

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Aug 4 2005 23:50

Can I join AF if I wear a head-dress? black bloc