Notes on Brum Stop the War Meeting

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Jan 28 2005 21:02
Notes on Brum Stop the War Meeting

first thing to be mentioned is that the venue was packed and altough that may have been down to the presence of Mr Benn there still seemed to be quite some optimism (perhaps misguided?) concerning the movement and its efforts.

Salma Yaqoob began the proceedings with a whole string of statistics and moralising remarks about how we didnt do enough and as a result have 'blood on our hands' partly because we have paid the taxes that have fueled the war. As a result her speech, although filled with conviction, seemed interminable and while she pointed out that clearly enough wasnt done to diuade the government, she also failed to put forward any further suggestions as to what should be done apart from to follow the usual road of predictable and sterile protests. Perhaps she was playing to the more conservative element of the crowd (which is probably a rather hefty chunk) with her implied advocation of the need for an army to fight in 'just' and 'legal' wars.

Next up was the trully inept, tactless and foolish Lyndsy German who for all her vitriol and bile came across as a bit of a twat . Made a fairly platitudal point about the subjectivity of the word 'terrorist' (round of applause), then showed the shallow nature of her critique by roundly supporting the 'resistance' (clearly a word that carries no subjective interpretation) by 'any means necessary'. It is people like her, who's emotions seem to impair all thought, who walk head first into the trap set by advocates of the war who talk of a 'stable and prosperous iraq'. She seemed to applaud the killings of soldiers (whilst many people dont disagree with fighting an enemy who invades your land most wont revel in the deaths of soldiers) and the use of car bombs in public areas, whilst failing to point out any progressive elements of the resistance in any of its forms. In neglecting the diversity of the resistance she happily advocates support for the least progressive and most religous, spectacular elements of the 'resistance' those that are reported on TV, those who produce tangible acts of 'resistance'. In doing so she fails to grasp the subjectivity of her own terms and language and that of those in power as a whole. Thoroughly useless.

Following that fine display of blind imbecility came tony benn, alright he was a member of the labour party for god knows how many years, his dad was probably a feudal lord and his mum may have had ten vietnamese maids to wash her feet daily but this man remains one of the greatest orators around. He made one very good point abouut the stop the war movement, whether you despise those who have sort to become its leaders and profit from it persoanlly and politically(notably the SWP, respect, german etc) it has nevertheless created solidarity between a huge group of people that has probably never been seen in this country for eons. People from varying backgrounds (yeah maybe a few toffs but they seem to have skulked away) have come together with a joint aim, theyve expressed solidarity with each other, debated, marched, discussed ideas which they may never have considered were it not for the movement, Benn made a good point about this: that the stop the war movement could be the beginning of something greater, it could have created bonds and sprouted some of the roots that will lead beyond this movement into different, more pertinent and revolutionary struggles, in the workplace or in the communities.

To be fair I dont agree in the slightest with the politics of the anti-war movement, its undialectical, shallow and ultimately (although it may contain many a good intention) not revolutionary, but what benn said had never really struck me before. Does any one else think that we should make the most of the environemnt of solidarity to start organising more pertinent and active struggles with those who have been introduced to the fringes of revolutionary politics through what is a fairly reactionary movement?

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Jan 28 2005 21:04

why don't you put this report on indymedia's newswire? smile

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Jan 28 2005 21:08

....and enragers newswire?

Vaneigemappreci...
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Jan 28 2005 21:10

think so?

Or are you taking the michael?!

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Jan 28 2005 21:12

No.

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Jan 28 2005 21:14
Vaneigemappreciationclub wrote:
think so?

Or are you taking the michael?!

nope, stick it up mate, on both whateva smile

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Jan 29 2005 11:34
revol68 wrote:
firstly fuck off yrwestillposting,

you stalking me again revol roll eyes

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Jan 29 2005 11:37

Now now children *shakes head*

On with the thread eh?

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Jan 29 2005 11:39
John. wrote:
Now now children *shakes head*

On with the thread eh?

whadya mean?

every time i try and make a contibution to summat this fuckwit comes and trolls me.

I'm soooooo flattered tongue

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Jan 29 2005 11:41

anyway, Van are you gonna pubish this?

can't see it on indymedia's newswire yet.

Gwan, do it smile

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Jan 29 2005 18:54

Double post.

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Jan 29 2005 18:55
Vaneigemappreciationclub wrote:
then showed the shallow nature of her critique by roundly supporting the 'resistance' (clearly a word that carries no subjective interpretation) by 'any means necessary'.

I coulda sworn Cantdocartwheels was watching zombie flicks with me round Jack's last night. Mr. T

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Jan 29 2005 21:54

Lyndsy german will either come round my house and kick the shit out of me (shes a big lass) or do me for libel. I'll edit it a little and whack it up there tomorrow some time.

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Jan 30 2005 23:56

Good report mate smile nice one.

and yeah gwan whack it up on indymedia. we need more info from brum getting out smile

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firstly fuck off yrwestillposting,

thats well out of order. grow up. im fucking sick of coming on here and finding it like a playground.

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Jan 31 2005 02:07

Topic now split - to continue the argument about Yrwenot3 go here http://enrager.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3907

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Feb 3 2005 16:25

posted it up, with a little more critique, it went up on the 31st, hasnt had many responses yet, though there do seem to be a lot of whingers on indymedia

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