Pope Ratzinger

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Apr 20 2005 10:29
Pope Ratzinger

So we have a new Pope and by the looks of things he's relatively progressive too, he refers to homosexuals as being 'morally evil', is vehemently anti-contraception and sees rock music as 'a vehicle of anti-religion', clearly he hasnt had the misfortune of listening to Creed. If he was anyone else the papers and hacks in the news would describe him as a right wing medievil biggot but instead he's 'tough' and 'conservative' maybe a little 'contraversial', you know the same way David Beckhams new hairstyle can be contraversial.

The man is clearly the son of satan, but luckily he wont be around for long, hes 78 now so it wont be long before he pops his cloggs.

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Apr 20 2005 10:43

Not only that - he was in the Hitler Youth!

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Apr 20 2005 10:43
Vaneigemappreciationclub wrote:
he refers to homosexuals as being 'morally evil'

... but at the same time, when he was head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (a.k.a. the Holy Inquisition), surrounded himself with young, strapping 6ft Nordic types.

Draw your own conclusions.......

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Apr 20 2005 10:52

was it not compulsory to be in the hitler youth when he was in it though?

although would be good to get a pic of him with his swastika armband or summat!

my girlfriend pointed out though that just becuase she was in the "young-octobers" growing up in the ex-soviet union, it didn't make her a communist

i'm working on it though red star

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Apr 20 2005 11:06

He was also drafted into the Nazi army, and although much is being made of the fact that he deserted, this was in late April/early May 1945 weeks or days before the surrender.

Lots of info on him here (a work in progress): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Benedict_XVI

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Apr 20 2005 11:08

Yeah me and zobag were talking about this... being in Hitler Youth doesnt actually say much... he was never actually in the Nazi party.

Not to say he isnt a complete and utter fucking reactionary wank stain.

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Apr 20 2005 12:31

There's a huge list of quotes from him in the Telegraph - he sounds fucking hilarious.

Multiculturalism is "fleeing from what is one's own".

Rock music is the "vehicle of anti-religion".

He claims that homosexuality has made "the sexual act los[e] all meaning and purpose".

And check this one out for size: "Communist regimes which came to power in the name of liberation are one of the disgraces of our times".

All in all, he sounds almost as fire and brimstone as that guy outside Camden tube station who dresses up as Jesus and shouts at goths about how they're going to hell and how "sinners can't be winners".

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Apr 20 2005 13:29
Alan_is_Fucking_Dead wrote:
And check this one out for size: "Communist regimes which came to power in the name of liberation are one of the disgraces of our times".

What's wrong with that one? Sounds like one of the few things we would agree with him on.

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Apr 20 2005 13:34

From that wiki piece: -

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As Prefect, Ratzinger wrote a 1986 letter to bishops that identified homosexuality as a "tendency ordered toward an intrinsic moral evil" and "an objective disorder."

I see Outrage! have already put a call out to see if anyone's got any info that might "out" His Holiness.

Only a matter of time, when two-thirds of catholic priests are gay, & one third of bishops (the church's own estimates). Not that that would be a problem, if they weren't such a set of hypocritical fuckheads. angry

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Apr 20 2005 13:43
Vaneigemappreciationclub wrote:
So we have a new Pope .... he refers to homosexuals as being 'morally evil', is vehemently anti-contraception and sees rock music as 'a vehicle of anti-religion', quote]

He's Pope - what do you expect?

Am I the only person to find it hilarious the way the media sets out these principles as if holding them is in some way unexpected.

That is what the Catholic Church believes - like it or leave it (and I assume as this is an anarchist site we all take the latter option)

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Apr 20 2005 13:45

wonder if george will start eying up the catholics now he seems to be losing the reactionary muslim vote!

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Apr 20 2005 14:03

He's not even conservative for a Catholic much as far as I can tell. He's got pretty much the same views as the last one did (both of them against capitalism, communism, and fascism if I'm correct just to point out that he's not just anti-red) and the last one was considered by a lot of Roman Catholics to be a hardcore progressive by RC standards. It's an organisation still set in the dark ages. I'm not really an apologist for the Roman Catholic church (it sucks) or suggesting "hey, it isn't that bad, look how much they used to suck!" or anything. Just more of the "what the fuck did you expect?"

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Apr 20 2005 14:06

i thought there might be some rumblings from south america or africa of a split or something but suppose it's wishful thinking

you don't really get splits in the catholic church though do you, not like the bloody prody splitters

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Apr 20 2005 14:08
oisleep wrote:
i thought there might be some rumblings from south america or africa of a split or something but suppose it's wishful thinking

you don't really get splits in the catholic church though do you, not like the bloody prody splitters

Considering most of the discussions about elections of clergy and stuff are really secretive and tightly controlled by the organisation it'd be surprising to see anyone getting in whose views would differe enough to cause a split.

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Apr 20 2005 14:14
oisleep wrote:

you don't really get splits in the catholic church though do you, not like the bloody prody splitters

There was Archbishop Lefebvre who got ex-communicated a few years back. He was very, very right wing and eventually went a bit too far for even John Paul II's liking.

He did manage to keep a rebel church going, but I think it died with him?

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Apr 20 2005 14:15

yeah true, i was thinking more of a bottom up split, but that logic / reasoning doesn't really apply to god botherers i suppose

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Apr 20 2005 14:16
oisleep wrote:
i was thinking more of a bottom up split

..... like many of the clergy, by all accounts. grin

(sorry, couldn't resist)

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Apr 20 2005 14:20

i set you up a smasher there!!

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Apr 20 2005 14:57

It's not so much that the logic doesn't apply to god botherers as they're under the impression that whoever gets chosen as pope is chosen by god or sommat. It's much like a certain type of christian american who think that Bush is the president of god's choosing and that he will lead them from sin or something.

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Apr 20 2005 15:23

yeah, so the logic of a bottom up movement for a split would never happen

it's weird though seeing the new pope it kinda reminded me of the new star wars films a few years back

when i was growing up mark hamil and harrison ford where luke skywalker and han solo, i'd never seen them in anything else before at that age, but then when the new ones came out some actor playing luke didn't really seem right

it's a bit the same with the new pope, i've only ever knew that one and he's always been the pope, although i can't abide the religion it still seems a bit weird that someone new is playing the role

he'll probably die soon and then we'll all sound clever as we'll know how they go about getting another one, at least that hotel that JP2 built for the fuckers will get a bit of use instead of lying empty all year round

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Apr 20 2005 15:39

Luke's not in the new ones (unless he's a baby in the third one?), there's just Anakin (the kid, he becomes Vader later) and a young Obi-Wan (Ewan McGregor).

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Apr 20 2005 15:43

yeah that's who i meant embarrassed

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Apr 20 2005 15:44
Vaneigemappreciationclub wrote:
sees rock music as 'a vehicle of anti-religion', clearly he hasnt had the misfortune of listening to Creed.

and he's obviously never heard xDisciplexAD, Zao, Comeback Kid or STRYPER!

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Apr 20 2005 16:03
Alan_is_Fucking_Dead wrote:

Multiculturalism is "fleeing from what is one's own".

I believe this is, in a sense, true. Obviously not from a point of view of having people from lots of different racial backgrounds in one place, but cutting and pasting bits of various cultures into your own life is stupidly hypocritical in my opinion. Surely the word culture implies something unique to one's own surroundings and upbringing, something which globalisation* is, by definition, destroying. People aren't designed to exist in a community of 6 billion, how can something common to everyone on the planet possibly be relevant to the individual? Of course people should travel, see the world and learn from it, but we should be wary of forgetting where we came from and what makes us who we are. This is why i will never ever buy an album made by an american punk band**.

*Haven't heard anyone use this word in a while, i presume it has been dubbed 'irrelevant' and 'uncool' by the enrager ministry of thought control

**Well that's one reason, another is that they make horrendously bad music.

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Apr 20 2005 17:29
xConorx wrote:
Vaneigemappreciationclub wrote:
sees rock music as 'a vehicle of anti-religion', clearly he hasnt had the misfortune of listening to Creed.

and he's obviously never heard xDisciplexAD, Zao, Comeback Kid or STRYPER!

What, cos Comeback Kid made you WANNA be Christian??

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Apr 20 2005 17:31
Ghost_of_the_revolution wrote:
Alan_is_Fucking_Dead wrote:

Multiculturalism is "fleeing from what is one's own".

I believe this is, in a sense, true. Obviously not from a point of view of having people from lots of different racial backgrounds in one place, but cutting and pasting bits of various cultures into your own life is stupidly hypocritical in my opinion. Surely the word culture implies something unique to one's own surroundings and upbringing, something which globalisation* is, by definition, destroying. People aren't designed to exist in a community of 6 billion, how can something common to everyone on the planet possibly be relevant to the individual? Of course people should travel, see the world and learn from it, but we should be wary of forgetting where we came from and what makes us who we are. This is why i will never ever buy an album made by an american punk band**.

*Haven't heard anyone use this word in a while, i presume it has been dubbed 'irrelevant' and 'uncool' by the enrager ministry of thought control

**Well that's one reason, another is that they make horrendously bad music.

That is one of the absolute worst posts I ever seen.

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Apr 20 2005 18:03

Why are folk so shocked about ratzinger being conservative,the whole ethos of the chtholic church is based on rigid doctrines and absolutism.

Thats why catholics are catholics.Those people who what reliogons to become more "baby soft" are living in a fantasy world where religon becomes just another fad ( althou in yvvone ridleys case it seems to be the case) like wooly eskimo boots and trendy panchos and tattos above the bum.

Stop trying to mame religons more user freindly and attack all religons as a philosphy. I make sure that i attck the foudation of religon cos i want it dead,not to make more palatable to soft westerners.

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Apr 20 2005 21:29
MR LUSTBATHER wrote:
Stop trying to mame religons more user freindly and attack all religons as a philosphy. I make sure that i attck the foudation of religon cos i want it dead,not to make more palatable to soft westerners.

BINGO. And I say that as a pagan hippy weirdo. Religion is a pile of shite. More liberal religions aren't the solution. An abolition of religious organisation and the concentration of social power in religious hierarchies is (I specifically point out religious organisation because regulating people's individual opinions on whether or not there's a god is thought-policing bullshit).

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Apr 20 2005 22:39
revol68 wrote:
what a reactionary pile of drivel, go fuck off to your morris dancing club you twat.

im opposed to multi culturalism because it actually rests on the idea that there are many different, self contained cultures. it's like being multinational instead of internationalist.

And as your nazi fella said in a minute of great insight, "when i hear the word culture i reach for my gun."

Jesus, for once I think that Revol's abuse is spot on. What's happening to me confused

On the other hand, a liberal pope would have been a good thing. We all know what glasnost does to authoritarian regimes.

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Apr 20 2005 22:41

Old news people.

http://tinypic.com/2l2ycj

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Apr 21 2005 01:35

Wasnt Hitler Youth compulsory!? Besides, he was forced to join. I think people are distorting this whole "Popes was a you nazi!" melark! Saying the popes trained as a Hitler Youth so theirfor is a Nazi is just like saying "Germany is all Nazi!". Peoples opinons DO change as im sure you well know, hes an old man now! Leave him be neutral