Pope Ratzinger

47 posts / 0 new
Last post
Toxictears
Offline
Joined: 12-11-03
Apr 21 2005 01:38

Typical, I noticed someone posted next to dead on the same thing as I just said above. Sorry :S

Choccy's picture
Choccy
Offline
Joined: 9-12-04
Apr 21 2005 10:17
Alan_is_Fucking_Dead wrote:
xConorx wrote:
Vaneigemappreciationclub wrote:
sees rock music as 'a vehicle of anti-religion', clearly he hasnt had the misfortune of listening to Creed.

and he's obviously never heard xDisciplexAD, Zao, Comeback Kid or STRYPER!

What, cos Comeback Kid made you WANNA be Christian??

fair point, they'd probably put a lotta people off!

Rob Ray's picture
Rob Ray
Offline
Joined: 6-11-03
Apr 21 2005 11:43

Old man or not, he's a reactionary old bigot, the man behind some of the old Pope's most horrifying edicts on homosexuality and contraception. He's a deeply unpleasant, manipulative authoritarian piece of shit.

I'd agree people shouldn't dwell on the hitler youth thing, but because it's circumstantial evidence and flawed enough that it makes other entirely valid points seem less reasonable if used in an argument, not because he's too old to be worth attacking.

Con Carroll
Offline
Joined: 18-11-04
Apr 21 2005 11:57

Toxic tears cop on to yourself hitler youth was not compulsory, according to the German embassy in Dublin, when senator David Noris, a gay rights activist asked them this week. Ratzinger joined because he shared their views. his father was active in the ss, one does get pissed off with these liberals in telling people that ratzinger past is in the past. remember the 1980 in Latin America the people who opposed right wing governments and their death squads were hounded by the nazi ratzinger. Political activists who worked with people in demanding human rights justice whowere upseting the cosy cartel pressure by german businesswas put on the vatican to silence people in their opposition.

Where ever the nazi ratzinger goes we should encourage protests against the nazi scum.

MR LUSTBATHER
Offline
Joined: 30-03-05
Apr 21 2005 11:58
gurrier wrote:
revol68 wrote:
what a reactionary pile of drivel, go fuck off to your morris dancing club you twat.

im opposed to multi culturalism because it actually rests on the idea that there are many different, self contained cultures. it's like being multinational instead of internationalist.

And as your nazi fella said in a minute of great insight, "when i hear the word culture i reach for my gun."

Jesus, for once I think that Revol's abuse is spot on. What's happening to me confused

On the other hand, a liberal pope would have been a good thing. We all know what glasnost does to authoritarian regimes.

Come on what does a "libaral" pope mean, they might be slight tinkering at the edges but fundermentally it will be still the same old catholic church unbending and abosolutist.

Politics is far more willing to change that religon, so this idea that the pope will be gutted in a caucescu stlyle revolution if the pope allow some aficans to were johhnys is just wishful thinking.

gurrier
Offline
Joined: 30-01-04
Apr 21 2005 14:13
MR LUSTBATHER wrote:
Come on what does a "libaral" pope mean, they might be slight tinkering at the edges but fundermentally it will be still the same old catholic church unbending and abosolutist.

Politics is far more willing to change that religon, so this idea that the pope will be gutted in a caucescu stlyle revolution if the pope allow some aficans to were johhnys is just wishful thinking.

If you look at the last attempt to 'liberalise' the church - around vatican 2 in particular - it was pretty disasterous for the church as an institution and it went a long way towards removing the influence of the church in the West. I think it's fairly similar to the Beria-led thaw following Stalin's death or Gorbachev's glasnost. Authoritarian institutions in crisis/decline sometimes try to survive and retain their influence by opening up - but they generally fail to control what happens next.

Ghost_of_the_re...
Offline
Joined: 16-06-04
Apr 21 2005 14:31
revol68 wrote:
what a reactionary pile of drivel, go fuck off to your morris dancing club you twat.

I actually love how he used that sentence to accuse someone else of being reactionary, he might as well tell me to "mind your fucking language". If this guy ever agrees with me I'll put a bullet in my brain.

MR LUSTBATHER
Offline
Joined: 30-03-05
Apr 21 2005 14:45
gurrier wrote:
MR LUSTBATHER wrote:
Come on what does a "libaral" pope mean, they might be slight tinkering at the edges but fundermentally it will be still the same old catholic church unbending and abosolutist.

Politics is far more willing to change that religon, so this idea that the pope will be gutted in a caucescu stlyle revolution if the pope allow some aficans to were johhnys is just wishful thinking.

If you look at the last attempt to 'liberalise' the church - around vatican 2 in particular - it was pretty disasterous for the church as an institution and it went a long way towards removing the influence of the church in the West. I think it's fairly similar to the Beria-led thaw following Stalin's death or Gorbachev's glasnost. Authoritarian institutions in crisis/decline sometimes try to survive and retain their influence by opening up - but they generally fail to control what happens next.

But the decline in western europe has more to do with the genaral secularation of the continant and the losing of the grip of the church on the state( both catholic/protestant).Plus the competative pull of consumarist capitalism pulling the intrest away from the long wait for salvation the church can give them.

And remeber the soul of the catholic church now rests in africa and latin amrica.It might be in a coma in europe ,but its alive and kicking elsewhere.

It might have

MR LUSTBATHER
Offline
Joined: 30-03-05
Apr 21 2005 14:50

And remember religous fever could make a comeback in europe,so i am rather more pessimistic about the death of the church.

Lazlo_Woodbine
Offline
Joined: 26-09-03
Apr 21 2005 15:53

Where can I find out more about the pope's past in suppressing liberation theology and helping out the death squads?

cantdocartwheels's picture
cantdocartwheels
Offline
Joined: 15-03-04
Apr 21 2005 16:14

well personally i think theres something far more sinister at work here

woofnbark
Offline
Joined: 16-03-04
Apr 21 2005 16:56

I keep on reminding myself those monty python sketches.

Puh

Quote:
you removed the link to the sketches

can you post it please

One does not know how to post

MR LUSTBATHER
Offline
Joined: 30-03-05
Apr 21 2005 17:05

I think hes got a a certain whiff of this man.

Check to see if he has a mince

cantdocartwheels's picture
cantdocartwheels
Offline
Joined: 15-03-04
Apr 21 2005 17:11
woofnbark wrote:
I keep on reminding myself those monty python sketches.

you removed the link to the sketches sad

can you post it please

Toxictears
Offline
Joined: 12-11-03
Apr 23 2005 01:24
Con Carroll wrote:
Toxictears cop on to yourself hitler youth was not compulsory.

It was compulsory!

Quote:
Most German papers reminded the world that the Pope deserted the German army before the end of the war which could have cost him his life. They also reminded that all boys aged 10 and 11 were forced to join the Hitler Youth after March 1939.

A short paragraph of a news article about Germanys fury at the UK press for kicking up the old "If you were around in 1940's Germany, you are a Nazi".

Besides, im not saying he definatly isnt a Nazi, what im saying is that I find is very... wrong... for people to instantly assume hes a nazi because he was in the Hitler Youth. People change! Im not defending the pope because he does have idiotic views. Like I said, im just saying you cant call him a Nazi for his past.

His views on rock music and homosexuals are just laughable! They are so fucking pathetic! At the end of the day though he was voted in by Cardinals (?) best 'judgement', so what does that say about the rest of them?