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Dec 1 2004 17:31
UKIP Candidate is ex BNP member

Hardly surprising I know, but this guys (very) far-right pedigree is quite exhaustive.

Candidate admits BNP Links

November 30, 2004 06:37 East Anglia Daily Times

By Graham Dines

Political Editor

A PROSPECTIVE parliamentary candidate for the UK Independence Party has admitted he was “briefly attached” to the far-right British National Party.

Nicholas Betts-Green, from Woodbridge, who has been selected to fight the Suffolk Coastal seat at the next election, said the British National Party (BNP) had appealed to him because of its hostile attitude to the European Union.

A retired teacher and motorcycle enthusiast, Mr Betts-Green was educated at Woodbridge School, as was BNP leader Nick Griffin.

“Unwisely, I agreed to attend a talk he gave in Ipswich. Knowing of my dislike for all things EU, he played up the BNP's anti-EU stance,” said Mr Betts-Green.

“It was this which persuaded me, very briefly, to attach myself to the BNP. I regretted it at once because of the people I met were somewhat rabid in their views.

“I have always felt the BNP to be unelectable because of their earlier National Front associations and I detached myself as rapidly as possible.

“I never did anything of any kind for them and that one meeting was the only time I ever attended any sort of group.”

Mr Betts-Green said he had made it “absolutely clear” in August to the UK Independence Party's (UKIP) then acting chief executive, Piers Marchant, that he had attended the Ipswich meeting.

He wrote to Mr Marchant saying he would understand if his brief connection with the BNP ruled him out as a UKIP candidate, but was told he could proceed with his application.

Mr Betts-Green was interviewed by a panel of three UKIP members after the annual autumn conference in Bristol and given permission to seek the nomination to contest the Suffolk Coastal seat held by Conservative MP John Gummer.

Although no longer a member of the Conservative Party, Mr Betts-Green has remained a member of the Conservative Monday Club, which pledges its “loyalty to the Crown, opposes any interference to our judiciary, Parliament or economy by Brussels” and believes that anyone offered UK citizenship “must be able to show that they can use English as a first language”.

The club was expelled from association with the Tories in October 2001 because its views were said not to be compatible with mainstream Conservatism.

Mr Betts-Green, who served in the RAF and worked for British Airways before turning to teaching at Cheltenham Ladies College and later Farlingaye High School in Woodbridge, said his reason for joining the Monday Club was to enable him to get hold of the organisation's research papers, which were “mines of information of an anti-EU nature”.

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Dec 1 2004 18:10

what bollox. all these muppets that join organisations like the bnp and national front and then try and pretend years later that it was some kind of mistake. everyone knows what they stand for. u dont get duped into joining them. u do so because you're racist scum. is it still possible to see candidates lists with names addresses, etc so that people can access their local credentials.

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Dec 1 2004 18:18
nightowl wrote:
what bollox. all these muppets that join organisations like the bnp and national front and then try and pretend years later that it was some kind of mistake. everyone knows what they stand for. u dont get duped into joining them. u do so because you're racist scum. is it still possible to see candidates lists with names addresses, etc so that people can access their local credentials.

Actually, peoples' person politics can change you know. Maybe this person really was misinformed about the BNP.

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Dec 1 2004 20:18

'misinformed about the bnp'????????? which hole in the ground do you think he was sticking his head in for the few years before he decided to join then? roll eyes

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Dec 1 2004 20:34

I don't wanna be a pedant, but he was not an "ex BNP member". Let's not twist the facts in order to get a nice headline. We have the press to do that already...

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Dec 1 2004 20:50

So maybe he didn't take out a membership card but he admits that...

'It was this which persuaded me, very briefly, to attach myself to the BNP'

I'm sure a lot of supporters don't sign on the dotted line for the party. Supporter/member... doesn't make too much difference.

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Dec 1 2004 22:02

It does add up a bit - Monday Club, BNP, UKIP, I don't think I'll be inviting the guy out for a curry on Friday night.....

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Dec 2 2004 12:57
PaulMarsh wrote:
It does add up a bit - Monday Club, BNP, UKIP, I don't think I'll be inviting the guy out for a curry on Friday night.....

Sure, his politics may be shit and just damn wrong but let us not make assumptions based on breif party affiliations. If you're going to label this guy a racist and sexist purely because he was a supporter of the BNP in the past (which he claims was only because of their anti-EU stance...) then let many of us be labelled a filthy trots because we were once silly enough to support the SWP.

As far as misinformation, how many of the people who vote for the BNP actually know what they're really about?

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Dec 12 2004 21:38
Refused wrote:
let many of us be labelled a filthy trots because we were once silly enough to support the SWP.

Precisely.

My parents were both Tories (oh hell no, I'm middle class, expel me from anarchism!!!11!11!!) which meant that inevitably my first exposure to politics was from a right wing perspective. Does this mean that I'll be accused of "being in the pay of the Tories" or something ridiculous when I single-handedly liberate Colchester bus station??

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Dec 12 2004 21:59
Refused wrote:

As far as misinformation, how many of the people who vote for the BNP actually know what they're really about?

A fair point. But there's a distinction between your ordinary BNP supporter/voter who may well be duped into supporting them without realising the background of their leadership and this bloke who obviously has political aspirations.

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Dec 20 2004 15:05

He has now stepped down:

Daily telegraph

Ukip candidate quits over BNP links

(Filed: 20/12/2004)

A prospective parliamentary candidate for the UK Independence Party has resigned after admitting being "briefly attached" to the British National Party.

Suffolk Coastal Ukip will seek a new candidate

Nicholas Betts-Green, of Woodbridge, Suffolk, who had been selected to fight the Suffolk Coastal seat at the next election, quit after reports emerged last month in a local newspaper that he found the BNP's anti-European stance "appealing".

Retired school teacher Mr Betts-Green confirmed he had attended a talk given by BNP leader Nick Griffin in Ipswich but said that was the only contact he had with the group.

After being questioned by the party's leadership in the East of England Mr Betts-Green offered to stand down. He has also resigned as Ukip's branch chairman.

A Ukip spokesman said Mr Betts-Green's resignation followed disclosures in the East Anglian Daily Times about his attendance at a BNP meeting.

"He did once attend a BNP meeting. He did not like what he saw and heard and will take no further part of it."

A meeting of Suffolk Coastal Ukip members is due to be held next week to discuss a replacement

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Dec 25 2004 22:13

I'd say a far more important issue to arise out of this is that the BNP felt sufficiently strong in Ipswich in to

(i) stand candidates

(ii) have public meetings

Let's get on it kids.

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Dec 25 2004 22:29
Alan_is_Fucking_Dead wrote:
I'd say a far more important issue to arise out of this is that the BNP felt sufficiently strong in Ipswich in to

(i) stand candidates

(ii) have public meetings

Let's get on it kids.

Yeah, local Antifa starting soon. We'll be organising a meeting of some sort in Colchester in the New Year. We'll put the details up here so other East Anglia people know about.

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Dec 25 2004 22:34

I know. I was at the meeting.

DUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

grin

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Dec 25 2004 22:45
Alan_is_Fucking_Dead wrote:
I know. I was at the meeting.

DUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

grin

I know you know, that was aimed at East Anglia people in general. I used your quote cos it was following on from what you said.

Jesus Alan, what do you think this is, your private personal messaging service? tongue

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Dec 25 2004 23:04

Basically, I just like being the centre of attention.

Which is why I interrupt in meetings a lot.