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Antianimalmassh...
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Nov 24 2013 19:34
Manchester afed

I'm pissed off and very upset with manchester anarchist
Federation, I posted about facecrook and they saw I was "friends" with a
EDL member, they said: as we can not initiate a private message with you
due to the restrictions of our account, we must write this in the public
domain. Whilst we feel you have been left in the lurch by various officers
in regards your membership and details surrounding forums etc, we have
found it difficult to find out who you are before we forward you emails
and contact details because of other reasons; one particular concern by
many of our local members is that on the list of Facebook friends that you
have, and chosen to have, one is openly an EDL member. We do not feel that
any member of the Anarchist Federation would freely associate with a
member of the EDL and, if they do, our inherent distrust of that member
would be inevitable. However, we do understand that we can not control who
our old friends are, nor our family and wish to provide you with an
opportunity to consider and respond to our concerns. In the meantime, for
our safety, and the safety of all our comrades, it feels necessary to ask
you to refrain from publically posting on our Facebook page and instead
send us a Private Message either via facebook or via our email
manchester@af-north.org If you choose to continue to post, we will be
forced to ban you from the page. We hope you understand our current
position and that it is meant with the best of intentions. Manchester
Anarchist Federation p.s. yes, Facebook is awful." I responded (which they haven't replied to) by saying: Regarding you
saying you'll ban me that's alright, because it would be
resistance, it wouldn't be punishment would it? Also how would you ban me?
I find this incredibly distressing. Would if you banned me be reluctantly?
In the story of crass Penny Rimbaud put on the right track british
movement people, I'm hoping to do the same with the guy who I've
contacted, especially as he's working class, also on ian bones blog theres
someone called EDL anarchist, if someone from EDL can be an anarchist,
perhaps I can persuade the guy. My dad and I are very concerned about
fascists as they are violent and also they bombed freedom, my dad because
of this was terrified of me meeting yorkie bar from leeds afed to join.
Regarding people not getting back to me, obviously I'd prefer if they did,
but obviously i advocate voluntary co-operation.
Also to
clarify I am anti-fascist, so much so that I think that state capitalism
which in this country is more subtle than nazism/pinochet,etc is a million
times worse than nazism.
Why haven't you replied? Me and dad have anxiety problems, so would you
banning me also be anxiety; anxiety about fascists?
I may block the EDL member as resistance, I've been driven mad by
Facebook, lost my grip on reality because of there brave new world
fantasy. I certainly wouldn't for example friend a slaughterhouse worker
or some corporate cunt, it hasn't sunk in with me fascists rampant evil as
much as you, I'm not being sarcastic, could you explain why you're so
vehemently anti-fascist? It seems to me you're more anti-fascist than me.

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Nov 24 2013 20:56

A lot of what you write doesn't make sense and arouses suspicion, for example:

'My dad and I are very concerned about fascists as they are violent and also they bombed freedom..'

then a few line later

..'I'm not being sarcastic, could you explain why you're so
vehemently anti-fascist?'

It could be perfectly harmless, so maybe you should pause for a few moments before you press save and read through what you've written and ask yourself if it's unambiguously what you wanted to get across?

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Nov 24 2013 21:12

It strikes me that anarchists are extremely paranoid (me included). I'm anti-fascist but not to the extent that they should be dehumanised, I agree with chomsky regarding free speech, Manchester afed clearly don't.

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Nov 24 2013 21:22

Obviously the bombing thing is something to be anti-fascist for, but I wondered why they were so excessively anti-fascist. Can't people on libcon reason?

Antianimalmassh...
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Nov 24 2013 21:26

Sorry it's complex, do you want me to break it down?

factvalue
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Nov 24 2013 21:46

I'm not much of a reductionist and I think it's almost completely broken down already so nah don't worry about it but fwiw it's not paranoia if they really are out to get you.

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Nov 24 2013 21:52

I understand there concern totally anarchists are people fascists hate no more, even more than Jews or "pakis" or "niggers", if anarchists aren't carefull they'll be put it a gas chamber. Thanks for being reasonable.

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Nov 24 2013 21:53

Anti - you said it yourself: fascists bombed freedom bookshop. Ideological fascists might be human beings, but they're human beings who are a direct physical threat to anarchists. They want to fuck us up. So I think it only makes sense to be pretty wary and cautious of them.

Why are you facebook friends with an EDL member? Doesn't it worry you that this person knows all kinds of personal information about you? I don't mean that in an accusatory way, but I'm not sure how effective having online arguments or debates with fascists is.

edit - cross-posted

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Nov 24 2013 21:54

It's a bit unreasonable manc afed not replying, it's niggling at me.

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Nov 24 2013 21:55

I hope to "convert" him, he used to be a nice guy. Also as I said penny Rimbaud put British movement scum right, I thought I might be able to, any advice? Having said that it may backfire and I'll be murdered.

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Nov 24 2013 21:59

Do you ever try to talk sense into your horrible racist EDL friend?

And it's quite reasonable for AFed to be wary. They don't want to be associated with fash, and they don't want fash having some sort of pathway for intelligence about what the anarchos are getting up to.

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Nov 24 2013 22:11

I sent him this link: http://ianbone.wordpress.com/2010/04/26/edl-anarchist/ and he said it was a good read, so perhaps that's progress? Or not?

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Nov 24 2013 22:13

Also as usual he claimed not to be racist, he said he was anti Islam as a religion, surely anarchists are against religion? It's highly unlikely, but what do you think if he's telling the truth?

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Nov 25 2013 00:38

Ideological fascists although repulsive are fine, but when they're violent obviously they need to be resisted possibly violently. Also the EDL member is a security guard so that put me off as well, because I see security as nazis, but I don't want to give up on as he may be misguided not evil and also I've known and been friends with him on and off for 10-15 years.

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Nov 25 2013 01:41
Antianimalmassholocaustanarchist12 wrote:
Also to
clarify I am anti-fascist, so much so that I think that state capitalism
which in this country is more subtle than nazism/pinochet,etc is a million
times worse than nazism.

This is a bizarre line on so many levels.

Antianimalmassh...
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Nov 25 2013 01:53

I mean ethically and in terms of dysfunction and psychic totalitarianism.

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Nov 25 2013 02:10

are you suggesting that because the western social democratic systems have a veneer of "niceness" it's worse than than Nazism because it is insidious? At least the Nazis were honest when they said "we hate the jews, kill them"? Is that it?

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Nov 25 2013 02:17

Exactly! That's incredibly perceptive!

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Nov 25 2013 02:40

I don't know what to think about that, someone help me!

But my gut reaction is no, the western democracies are just empirically not quite as horrible as the Nazis.

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Nov 25 2013 02:46

Not as blatant, it's behind the scenes and the main brutality is controlling people's minds, what about sweat shops and there foreign policy and especially America's, Chomsky (as you'll probably know) said If the Nuremberg laws were applied, then every post-war American president would have been hanged.

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Nov 25 2013 03:09

nah I don't think they are controlling people's minds, I thnk our cuddly bourguoisie are in fact quite honest and they think the sweat shops are a sort of civilising influence on the natives etc. I honestly think our liberal western democracies are run by people who have good intentions, I think they are sincere in their elitism. I'm wondering what the converse would be; we have Nazi's openly declaring racial supremacy so the opposite would be liberals exercising racial supremacy covertly. I don't think that's the case. I think our liberal elites are quite aware that jews, arabs and black africans are just as capable of intelligent thought and creativity as white europeans. I think they see, for example, muslim fundamentalism as a cultural problem that the free market will resolve given enough time.

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Nov 25 2013 03:24

Yeah they're sincere in their elitism. Funnily enough my dad said the middle class aren't brainwashed and are naturally scum (my word), perhaps he's of they're brainwashed and would still be scum if they weren't. What about the working class? If you're so positive why are you anti-capitalism? By the way that's not a judgement, one thing about liberalism I agree with is being tolerant of differing views.

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Nov 25 2013 03:25

What the fuck? I hate the way Microsoft or whoever it is changes words as you're writing them, I meant to put he's right not of, bizarre what words are changed to.

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Nov 25 2013 03:28

I've got that wrong, I'll rewrite it. Perhaps he's right or they're brainwashed and would still be scum if they weren't. Sorry about this, I'm tired.

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Nov 25 2013 03:28
Antianimalmassholocaustanarchist12 wrote:
Funnily enough my dad said the middle class aren't brainwashed and are naturally scum (my word), perhaps he's of they're brainwashed and would still be scum if they weren't.

This consistently contemptuous, misanthropic attitude toward large portions of humanity do seem to give some insight into why you would question why an anarchist is "so vehemently anti-fascist."

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Nov 25 2013 03:43

Why was Marx so anti bourgeoise? It's not misanthropy. It's outrage.

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Nov 25 2013 03:45

Even though I am outraged, I'm totally against the murder of the middle class by Stalin.

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Nov 25 2013 03:49
Antianimalmassholocaustanarchist12 wrote:
Even though I am outraged, I'm totally against the murder of the middle class by Stalin.

Do you think Stalin is likely to murder the middle class?

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Nov 25 2013 03:54

Obviously he's dead, but he did when he was alive, didn't he or was it paradoxically mainly working class, he also you'll probably know killed communists.

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Nov 25 2013 04:00

Are you implying as me, Chomsky, cornelius castoriadis and libertarian socialists in general that the Soviet Union was state capitalist? Although I thought recently it may have been totalitarian feudalism in the later days of Stalins murderous reign, a bit like the west now, perhaps will slowly disintegrate, I reckon it's come full circle like the Soviet Union; socialist briefly with Attlee, then capitalist, now feudal. ablokeimet from mac group said he didn't agree with chomsky and he'd write an essay on it sometime.

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Nov 25 2013 04:26

I knew someone far far worse than the EDL member his name is ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' (the photo of a gun) if you're on Facebook type it in if you want. Here's a link to a photo: ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' He used to try and get me to "terrorize" a severely disabled kid at school.

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