Why are places like this RevLeft and RevForum dying?

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Jay_S
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Jan 21 2018 20:57

People posted in the libcom forums or RevLeft because those places were the only game in town for the types of conversations that happened there. But don't mistake that for people actually liking them. RevLeft had a bad reputation for heavy handed, sectarian moderation and it having a lot of Stalinists there. libcom had a reputation for free for all, immature posters with hands off moderation. If I remember correctly, there was a seperate forum started by platformists because they despised the style of libcom discussions.

On social media, you can really select the political crowds you want to engage with. If you don't want to engage with the aspiring deathcamp guards of Workers World or some tiny ultraleft sect whose activity is mostly posting online, you don't have to.

The integration with mobile is also a big thing, as well. Most forums do not work great on a smartphone. With Facebook, you can easily rattle of stream-of-conscientiousness rants while sitting on the toilet.

Somewhat more interesting I think is how did forums affect how discussion happened? Political development? What influence did it have on organizations? Same with social media. It seems obvious that social media has affected political tendencies and organizations quite a bit. I'm not entirely sure its been more good than bad.

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Jan 21 2018 22:53
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I'm not entirely sure its been more good than bad.

I am entirely sure it's been more bad than good, indeed, I'd say most of it has been quite bad. In many cases, I've seen Facebook become a substitute for actual organization.

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Jan 22 2018 09:14

I was on Revleft years ago, Things got weird there. I use facebook, to keep in touch with specific biblical scholars who are interested in specific subjects, I did once join a facebook leftist Group ... but it again got weird, maybe it was just the time period I joined but it was basically just a big fight over racial/gender issues, getting to the point where People were pretending to be a different race and being called out for it and so on, so I got out of there quick.

What I appreciate about libcom is People are rather thoughtful, I don't post much here but I do read, and it's often Clear that People know what they are talking about and care about getting Things right and keeping Things interesting.

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Jan 22 2018 12:48

It may be that the shift from forums to other more compressed form of social media reflects a wider shift; that, as class struggle and its revolutionary potential has for so long seemed so elusive, even many supposed 'anarchos' have moved their faith into hardened simplistic positions of identity politics, pro-national liberation leftism, anarcho-Corbynism etc. So all that's needed is a medium for parroting rigid snappy soundbites restating positions with no need for space to explore themes. "The medium is the message" is an old 60s cliche but does seem relevant to social media as regards how form moulds content.

People seem to be assuming a permanent decline. But forums may at some point make a comeback; after all, social media seems to encourage short attention spans and people may come to find that inadequate, and new struggles may encourage new forms of debate.

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Jan 31 2018 15:20

Any interest in teaming up with us at https://raddle.me ? We've been around for a year now and have grown consistently every month. The community is both built and managed by its users.

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Jan 31 2018 15:32

Is it some leftist reddit?

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Jan 31 2018 17:44
ziq wrote:
Any interest in teaming up with us at https://raddle.me ? We've been around for a year now and have grown consistently every month. The community is both built and managed by its users.

Couldn’t seem to access the comments?
Anyways, it was worth a look - very pleasing to find out that Remy the dog bit the cop that was arresting her owner! A gravy bone for that guy!

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Jan 31 2018 18:19
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Couldn’t seem to access the comments?

Not sure what you mean, when there are comments, they're listed under every submission. Click "xx comments" to see them. Or you can go to https://raddle.me/comments to see all the latest comments on one page. Fair warning: a noxious troll is currently arguing with everyone.

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Is it some leftist reddit?

https://raddle.me/wiki will answer everything you could possibly want to know about the site and how it functions. It was built from scratch by leftists to be free and open source, so any similarities to reddit are skin deep.

Edit: See this too:

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/zm3wbj/radical-leftists-built-their-o...

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Jan 31 2018 18:18
ziq wrote:
https://raddle.me/wiki will answer everything you could possibly want to know about the site and how it functions. It was built from scratch by leftists to be free and open source, so any similarities to reddit are skin deep.

Thanks, that looks like it will answer all kinds of questions I may have.

Though when I said "like reddit", I meant in form and function, in the sense that reddit was like Digg, in the sense it's still link sharing site with the possibility of upvoting and commenting.

ziq
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Jan 31 2018 18:23

Yeah, we took everything we liked about reddit and ditched everything we didn't like (the forced hierarchies, the tolerance for fascism, the closed source code, the sharing user data with law enforcement/advertisers, etc.)

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Jan 31 2018 18:26

Alas, Remy the dog murdered by the state as she went to a kill shelter and no one adopted her in time.

So I'm going to the totally derail this thread and ask people that if they are planning on getting a dog, get one from a shelter, not a pet shop or some dodgy geezer on Craigslist. Also, Remy was a pit bull, which are the most awesome of awesomist dogs, so if you're thinking of adopting give a pit bull a thought because they're usually put straight to the top of the kill list because human beings are terrible. And they're also the best cuddlers too.

That is all, PSA over, as you were.

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Jan 31 2018 18:32

I concur, pitbulls are really affectionate.

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Feb 9 2018 19:21
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A few months ago, I saw Russell Brand on his YouTube channel, in a conversation with David Harvey, equate anarcho-syndicalism with Gandhi's vision of village socialism. Unsurprisingly, Harvey saw nothing wrong with that definition and the conversation moved on. And I didn't expect much more from the two of them, since neither of them identifies with anarchism.

But I have come across that kind of mistake in defining anarcho-syndicalism in an anarchist subreddit thread, where it was basically reduced to a 'model' or type of future, post-capitalist society. And to my surprise, I didn't come across anyone disagreeing with that at all. It seemed to be some kind of shared 'consensus'. Now you can argue that 100% of everyone posting there are newbies, but I still find it incredible that in a 101 discussion such as that, no one stopped and say, "hmm, that doesn't sound right".

Like how does that even happen? Especially when there's so many resources available online for learning about these things.

If you have time could you briefly unpick why that's wrong? I'm definitely at 101 stage and that's exactly the kind of thing I want to understand. I appreciate that's a bit off-topic though. Thanks. Maybe not why it's wrong but why people think it sounds right. That's probably a paper in itself though.

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Feb 9 2018 20:21

anarcho syndicalism is an anarchist way of organising unions, its not an end goal

pi
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Feb 9 2018 22:08

Cactus9

If you want to read more beyond radicalgarffiti's fantastically succinct response, this was recommended to me last year. I found it a useful history and intro to anarcho syndicalism.

SolFed: Fighting for ourselves
http://libcom.org/files/Fighting%20For%20Ourselves.pdf

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Feb 15 2018 05:20

So how's the site upgrade coming along?

DevastateTheAvenues
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Feb 23 2018 03:54

Twitter is...hard.

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Jul 27 2018 11:03

Revforum was shut down and lost domain.

I want to revive that website because I have so many memories there, precious memories.

Please help me contact people from Revforum. I also liked Libcom and will panic if Libcom was shut down like that.

Please help me contact admin or people from Revforum

Riou Sora