clasped hands over the head salute

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Jun 17 2010 22:48
clasped hands over the head salute

I need proof that the holding-your-hands-over your-head symbol is an old anarchist salute to convince some unbelievers. See e.g. the CGT's symbol below. The AF also uses this symbol. If anyone can provide a photo or an article that would be great.

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Jun 17 2010 23:31

There was a thread on this on libcom if you do a search.

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Jun 18 2010 00:16

can't find shit with a search

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Jun 18 2010 03:47

won't someone... please... help me! e.g. by finding the correct description of the hand gesture in Spanish and doing an image search... or finding somewhere where they explain the symbol in spanish, etc.?

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Jun 18 2010 03:59
888 wrote:
won't someone... please... help me! e.g. by finding the correct description of the hand gesture in Spanish and doing an image search... or finding somewhere where they explain the symbol in spanish, etc.?

some dude (apparently a Spanish anarchist actor) doing the salute:
Found it on this Alasbarricadas thread:
http://www.alasbarricadas.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=46122
this blog also mentions it: http://curistoria.blogspot.com/2009/09/simbolos-y-saludos-politicos.html
Hope that helps.

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Jun 18 2010 04:56

thanks, it's better than anything i've been able to find so far...

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Jun 18 2010 08:23

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=e5mJUowmr1oC&pg=PA552&lpg=PA552&dq=%22anarchist+salute%22&source=bl&ots=iA5i6aOxto&sig=_Fwrc0etefmn7UA0Hz0tbOBVb40&hl=en&ei=uSsbTNCxG5XE4gbP5ICvCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CC8Q6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=%22anarchist%20salute%22&f=false

There's a reference to it from a yank in the Spanish Civil War.

http://libcom.org/forums/libcommunity/semiotics-af-red-black-star-28082007#comment-224475

Looks like there's not much here, I'm sure there was a thread about it and I'm pretty sure that picture of the spanish actor was posted in it. Can't ffind it though sad

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Jun 18 2010 08:26

http://estelnegre.balearweb.net/archives/20071124

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Jun 18 2010 08:37

it looks shit

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Jun 18 2010 18:12

Makes me think of this:

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Jun 18 2010 18:21

OI! Show some respect. This is not jazz hands.

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Jun 20 2010 06:58

Looks a bit shit really. You can't beat the clenched fist.

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Jun 20 2010 18:02
Vlad336 wrote:
OI! Show some respect. This is not jazz hands.

It is a bad anachronism though. Would it even be possible with the handcuffs in use these days?

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Jun 20 2010 19:37
thegonzokid wrote:
Looks a bit shit really. You can't beat the clenched fist.

The clenched fist is cliched and crap

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Jun 21 2010 08:15

I'm still waiting for someone to turn the AF logo into a Goatse.

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/goatse

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Jun 21 2010 09:44

Conny Andersson was born in Örebro, in the middle of Southern Sweden. He was politically active, much against the will of his foster parents. In 1928 he joined the Social Democratic Youth Organization. Conny Andersson studied at a Folk High-school when the Spanish Civil War broke out. At New Year 1936/1937 he went to Spain. He participated in the battles at Jarama and Brunete. His ear drums were ruined at Brunete which made the army dismiss him before summer 1937.

When Durruti, with his column of 3000 anarchists from Barcelona marched to defend Madrid in November 1936, he tried to break these points of view and show that you couldn't just sit at home, in your village, city or part of the countryside waiting for the Fascist troops, to fight only once they got there. You had to stand up against them at the existing fronts. It's easy to like Anarchism. It's easy to feel captivated by its passion for freedom. It's indisputable. The slogans "against bureaucracy" and "against the Governmental Apparatus"… It fascinates. But Spain was at war, and military rulings are always a form of dictatorship. Someone has to give orders, and the others have to obey. Those few times I was in Barcelona there were a lot of young people there, just like in Aragon, in the district of Murcia as well as in other places. When we were traveling to the Cordoba-front I saw young boys out in the fields. They clasped their hands over their heads - the beautiful Anarchist greeting. We thought it was fancy - their way of greeting us, until one started reflecting upon it: There they stand, clasping their hands, and here I am, on my way to the front. But maybe they had to stay on the farms for the sake of the food supply in the country. And even if all able bodies had reported to the front, there weren't enough weapons to go around anyway. As an interbrigadier I only once felt unwelcome. It was in a village named Jacila, nearby Alcoy. There were a bunch of guys at the bar, guys my own age, and they… they seemed to view me with distrust. Now, this district had a strong Anarco-Syndicalism influence. No, I didn't see much of the socializing on the government-side. But one couldn't help noticing the Women's Liberation. They joined up in all sorts of situations, in the hospitals and in the industries. This was a sort of revolution in itself.
from www.spartacus.schoolnet

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Jun 21 2010 10:47

Thanks... thought you might know, Battlescarred..

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Jun 21 2010 13:52
madashell wrote:
Would it even be possible with the handcuffs in use these days?

No, not really. There is not enough space to rotate your hand, and you can only slightly touch the palm of your other hand. Especially if you are locked with hands behind your back.

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Jun 24 2010 20:06
888 wrote:
thegonzokid wrote:
Looks a bit shit really. You can't beat the clenched fist.

The clenched fist is cliched and crap

The clenched fist has about a century of class struggle and anti-fascist connotations attached to it. The clasped hands looks like one-fourth of the YMCA dance routine.

p.s. i always assumed the Afed logo was one hand reaching out to another in the spirit of solidarity. You learn something new...

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Jun 24 2010 21:36

Someone from the SolFed think the anarchist salute is people shaking hands? Dearie me haven't they taught you anything?

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Jun 25 2010 11:56
nastyned wrote:
Someone from the SolFed think the anarchist salute is people shaking hands? Dearie me haven't they taught you anything?

I haven't got to the tutorial chapter on political salutes yet.

Plus, if you look at the Afed logo it looks a lot more like my interpretation than the CGT's...

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Jun 25 2010 04:39

the stalinist "fist to the head" salute always reminded me of this:

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Jun 25 2010 22:52
thegonzokid wrote:
nastyned wrote:
Someone from the SolFed think the anarchist salute is people shaking hands? Dearie me haven't they taught you anything?

I haven't got to the tutorial chapter on political salutes yet.

Plus, if you look at the Afed logo it looks a lot more like my interpretation than the CGT's...

The AF symbol is some guy passing drugs to another guy over a bonfire.

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Jun 26 2010 12:51
888 wrote:
I need proof that the holding-your-hands-over your-head symbol is an old anarchist salute to convince some unbelievers.

What would constitute "proof" to the people you're trying to convince? Are they fellow anarchists?

Salutes, as I recall, are tied to militarism, and under the Romans were a means of showing you had no 'arms' in hand with which to kill the leader.

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Jun 30 2010 13:51

its actually pretty much the same as the logo for the Boys and Girls clubs:

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Jun 30 2010 19:00

It's an anarchist front.

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Jul 4 2010 01:30

ha

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Jul 4 2010 14:31
rata wrote:
madashell wrote:
Would it even be possible with the handcuffs in use these days?

No, not really. There is not enough space to rotate your hand, and you can only slightly touch the palm of your other hand. Especially if you are locked with hands behind your back.

Yeah, the only time I've seen a large number of anarchists with their hands tied it was with those plastic handcuff things that tie both hands directly together.

nastyned wrote:
Someone from the SolFed think the anarchist salute is people shaking hands? Dearie me haven't they taught you anything?

I thought's that what it meant when I joined. I still think a gesture of solidarity between two people would be a pretty reasonable logo. Or a stormy petrel, that'd look badass.

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Aug 10 2010 04:36

you can see women and children doing the clasped hands over head salute in a lot of old archival footage.

in particular we noticed it the other night while watching "anarchism in america"

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Aug 10 2010 18:59
fnbrill wrote:
the stalinist "fist to the head" salute

there's also a scene in life of brian, under the roman palace, where michael palin makes exactly that gesture

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Aug 12 2010 22:19

The CNT comrade who spoke in Manchester last weekend did the clasped-hands salute at the end of his talk.