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Sep 12 2010 17:36
History of the IWA?

Are there any books or pamphlets that explain the history of the IWA? A friend of mine was interested in learning about it and asked if I could recommend something (in English or French).

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Sep 12 2010 17:54

http://www.marxists.org/archive/steklov/history-first-international/

By GM. Steklov (Mikhial Filnarci recommended it to me)

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Sep 12 2010 18:45
Devrim wrote:
Are there any books or pamphlets that explain the history of the IWA? A friend of mine was interested in learning about it and asked if I could recommend something (in English or French).
Noa Rodman wrote:
http://www.marxists.org/archive/steklov/history-first-international/

By GM. Steklov (Mikhial Filnarci recommended it to me)

Not sure. Devrim could also be referring to the International Workers Association - which groups together anarcho-syndicalist propaganda groups and unions of which SolFed is the British affiliate.

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Sep 12 2010 19:25

If Devrim means the current IWA rather than the historical IW(M)A, there's a good book by V Damier, 'Anarcho-syndicalism in the 20th century' which is essentially a history of the IWA. It's published by Black Cat Press in Canada.

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Sep 12 2010 20:27
ronan.mcnabb wrote:
Not sure. Devrim could also be referring to the International Workers Association - which groups together anarcho-syndicalist propaganda groups and unions of which SolFed is the British affiliate.

Yes, I was.Thanks JK and Tommy Ascaso for your suggestions and Noa regardless.

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Sep 12 2010 21:11
Tommy Ascaso wrote:
This was put out as a pamphlet by South London DAM in 1985:

http://redback.org.uk/southlondonsf/en/content/iwa-today

if that isn't in the library already, could you put it in there?

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Sep 12 2010 21:25

Ok Dev, I'd actually be interested in IWMA stuff myself as I haven't read much...

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Sep 12 2010 21:25

Devrim,
Actually the best book is the two-volume history by Vadim Damier. It's only in Russian though. Maybe one day it will get translated wink. What is in the English book is only a tiny bit of that, in a popularized version.

Here is a little about it:
http://www.anarkismo.net/article/6990

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Sep 12 2010 21:38
Noa Rodman wrote:
http://www.marxists.org/archive/steklov/history-first-international/

By GM. Steklov (Mikhial Filnarci recommended it to me)

This is a pretty Bolshevik perspective. been a long time since I read it, but that is how I remember it.

The Damier book is pretty decent.

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Sep 12 2010 22:47

cheers, have fixed the tags - actually they were both wrong as they were in the "tags" field whereas it should be in the "groups" field. I have deleted the incorrect tags completely now.

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Sep 12 2010 23:29
akai wrote:
Devrim,
Actually the best book is the two-volume history by Vadim Damier. It's only in Russian tHough. Maybe one day it will get translated wink. What is in the English book is only a tiny bit of that, in a popularized version.

Here is a little about it:
http://www.anarkismo.net/article/6990

I haven't read Damier's book, but I think it's about the anarcho-syndicalist (or revolutionary syndicalist) isn't it?. I think he was asking about the First IWA, the Bakunin, Marx et al. one.

Edit: Ups, maybe I read too quickly...

About the First International, most of the books I have read about the topic (unless one by Nettlau) are written by Spanish authors, so I can't help. With French edition I've only read this one: "Marx/Bakunin. Socialisme authoritaire, socialisme libertaire". Edited by G. Ribeill and published by Union Generale d'Editions. It's not your book if you're looking for a neutral/academic source (the author's clearly pro-anarchist), but you can find some information like fragments of letters and articles that I think they're unpublished.

About the anarcho-syndicalist IWA, there's a text of Arthur Lehning which deal with the process from revolutionary syndicalism from anarcho-syndicalist and the creation of the IWA. It's from a French or Italian Conference in 1977.

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Sep 13 2010 06:13

Akai;

is there an online version of Damier's book?

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Sep 13 2010 06:24
revolut wrote:
I think he was asking about the First IWA, the Bakunin, Marx et al. one.

Isn't that usually referred to as 'the first international', or occasionally by the acronym IWMA?

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Sep 13 2010 07:16

Well, we all know that the IWA is really just the IWMA continuing. wink

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Sep 13 2010 07:57
Devrim wrote:
revolut wrote:
I think he was asking about the First IWA, the Bakunin, Marx et al. one.

Isn't that usually referred to as 'the first international', or occasionally by the acronym IWMA?

Devrim

Maybe you're right. Here's Lehning text about the origins of the IWA (in French):

http://www.pelloutier.net/dossiers/dossiers.php?id_dossier=187

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Sep 13 2010 09:12

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is there an online version of Damier's book?

Unfortunately I don't think that the publishers (who are anarchists printing a lot of good stuff and worthy of support!) think about putting this online since they have to pay for the print run. That said, I have copies of the book and can either send you or bring you next time I visit over there. smile

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Sep 13 2010 16:23

I requested a copy of Malcolm Archibald's abridged translation through my uni and will try to scan it for the libcom library.

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Sep 13 2010 19:40
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I requested a copy of Malcolm Archibald's abridged translation through my uni and will try to scan it for the libcom library.

On behalf of Black Cat Press, I would like to point out that we want to have our publications available as widely as possible and to this end are posting them online although usually with some delay. This is not just a matter of the publisher's decision, but requires the permission of the author, if available. Several publications (including Volumes 1 and 2 of Makhno's memoirs) have been submitted to www.nestormakhno.info, but not everything has been posted so far.

"Anarchosyndicalism in the 20th Century" was first published in Russia about 10 years ago as a "non-commercial" book (press run 300). The author revised it considerably and it has now (2010) been re-issued in Russia as a "commercial" book in a series which includes reprints of anarchist classics. The Black Cat Press translation corresponds to the latter version and was actually published previous to the Russian edition. We have been very pleased with the response to this book, which has been sort of a best-seller for us.

Vadim Damier would like to find an English-language publisher for his magnus opus on the history of the IWA, but this is a daunting project for any publisher: 1600 pages and dozens of photos and graphics. It covers only the inter-war period.

Mateofthebloke, you may be interested in another of our publications, "Anarchist Morality".

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Sep 13 2010 19:43
Karetelnik wrote:
On behalf of Black Cat Press, I would like to point out that we want to have our publications available as widely as possible and to this end are posting them online although usually with some delay.

So is the translation already available online then?

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Mateofthebloke, you may be interested in another of our publications, "Anarchist Morality".

Cheers. I'll look it up.

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Sep 13 2010 20:38
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mateofthebloke wrote:
I requested a copy of Malcolm Archibald's abridged translation through my uni and will try to scan it for the libcom library.

On behalf of Black Cat Press, I would like to point out that we want to have our publications available as widely as possible and to this end are posting them online although usually with some delay.
[....]
Mateofthebloke, you may be interested in another of our publications, "Anarchist Morality".

Cheers. I'll look it up.

MotB, I think that was sarcastic:

Anarchist Morality wrote:
An anarchist who ran a store in England found that his comrades in the movement regarded it as perfectly right to take his goods without paying for them. "To each according to his need" seemed to them to justify letting those who were best able foot the bills. Kropotkin was appealed to, with the result that he not only condemned such doctrine, but was moved to write the comrades this sermon

Luckily 'Anarchist Morality' is already on libcom.org:
http://libcom.org/library/anarchist-morality-peter-kropotkin

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Sep 13 2010 21:01

Oh snap; for real? Good sarcasm then. Needless to say that stealing from a shop is not the same as making information as widely available as possible. There's stuff from Freedom Press in the library too and I don't see any of them making a fuss about it.

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Sep 13 2010 21:06
mateofthebloke wrote:
Oh snap; for real? Good sarcasm then. Needless to say that stealing from a shop is not the same as making information as widely available as possible. There's stuff from Freedom Press in the library too and I don't see any of them making a fuss about it.

with small publishers it can be a real issue though, as they often cross-subsidise from popular titles to fund translating obscure stuff, so i can understand the reasoning for delaying free web distrubution.

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Sep 13 2010 21:07

ok fair enough I guess. In their own time.

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Sep 13 2010 21:22

that would be sweet if true, and plausible since the audience for obscure texts are likely to want it on their bookshelf.

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Sep 13 2010 21:39
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Not taking a side either way, but all anecdotal evidence I've ever heard is in terms of 'radical' stuff, putting it only leads to vastly increased sales, not lost sales.

Altho obviously anecdotal evidence is anecdotal.

Well, admittedly the anecdotal sources I have are the Kate Sharpley Library, but putting their popular stuff (which did cross-subsidise) on line (those with a long memory may remember a hellish thread on here some years ago) has NOT led to increased sales, if anything fewer of the popular ones. Admittedly that's pamphlets, but still.

Obviously, no one of any importance reads things on paper any more, and 110% of all workers everywhere access stuff via their i-phones......

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Regards,

Martin

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Sep 13 2010 21:53

Support Black Cat Press...buy the book....buy all their books....good comrades, good people and hard workers for the cause!

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Sep 13 2010 21:55
syndicalist wrote:
Support Black Cat Press...buy the book....buy all their books....good comrades, good people and hard workers for the cause!

ah I know what that is! That's sarcasm. Fool me once, won't get fooled again.

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Sep 13 2010 21:56

Right, admin hat on: if people want to continue the 'supporting small radical publishers' discussion can you start a new thread please, cheers.

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Sep 13 2010 22:03

Admin: split thread to here.

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Sep 14 2010 06:55
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Vadim Damier would like to find an English-language publisher for his magnus opus on the history of the IWA, but this is a daunting project for any publisher: 1600 pages and dozens of photos and graphics. It covers only the inter-war period.

Friends,

It is a daunting project for a translator! I started some work on it years ago, but frankly, haven't touched it in years realizing I cannot do it. I have the proper language skills but not the patience for devoting hours to historical work or projects of this scale.

If there were others interested in dividing this work, it might actually get done one day.

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Sep 14 2010 08:52
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I requested a copy of Malcolm Archibald's abridged translation through my uni and will try to scan it for the libcom library.

On behalf of Black Cat Press, I would like to point out that we want to have our publications available as widely as possible and to this end are posting them online although usually with some delay. This is not just a matter of the publisher's decision, but requires the permission of the author, if available. Several publications (including Volumes 1 and 2 of Makhno's memoirs) have been submitted to www.nestormakhno.info, but not everything has been posted so far.

hi, I'm one of the admins here and we would be keen to host your texts as well, so please feel free to e-mail us anything you are happy to have online