DONATE NOW TO HELP UPGRADE LIBCOM.ORG

From Radical to Right Wing

201 posts / 0 new
Last post
PartyBucket's picture
PartyBucket
Offline
Joined: 23-03-08
Jun 17 2010 21:24


From SWP to Labour to English Democrats, but clearly a complete and utter cunt the whole time.

jura's picture
jura
Offline
Joined: 25-07-08
Jun 18 2010 13:20

Lyndon LaRouche has to be my favorite silly-left-to-sillier-right wacko.

Boris Badenov
Offline
Joined: 25-08-08
Jun 18 2010 13:30
jura wrote:
Lyndon LaRouche has to be my favorite silly-left-to-sillier-right wacko.

oh god I really loathe ladouchebags! they are EVERYWHERE (especially around my uni where they can pray on virgin fresher minds), handing out their mental propaganda, which frankly makes the jehovas look sane.

jura's picture
jura
Offline
Joined: 25-07-08
Jun 18 2010 15:39

Unfortunately, I've never seen one, we don't have those here. Neither the Posadists nor the Spartacists sad.

Hughes's picture
Hughes
Offline
Joined: 21-05-10
Jun 18 2010 15:44
Quote:
Less popularly, the Spartacist League has defended groups like the North American Man-Boy Love Association on civil libertarian grounds and have called for an end to age of consent laws.

Jeezum crow.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Communist_League_(Fourth_Internationalist)

gram negative's picture
gram negative
Offline
Joined: 24-11-09
Jun 18 2010 16:12
jura wrote:
Lyndon LaRouche has to be my favorite silly-left-to-sillier-right wacko.

yeah, he was a luxemburgist of some sort in the '60s (at least rhetorically), and even published a book on marxian economics, under the pen name of lyn marcus

Boris Badenov
Offline
Joined: 25-08-08
Jun 18 2010 16:25

Stuff that LaRouche actually believes
-The Queen and the juice are conspiring to rule the world.
-The Beatles were a British ploy to brainwash the youth of the world
-Obama is Hitler + Mussolini + Stalin (but mostly Hitler)
-FDR was Hitler too
-The UN? Hitler
-HITLER
and a bunch of other stuff that I fortunately forgot about. Not sure what his actual program is (as the propaganda is mainly focused on denouncing teh conspirasiez, something Ladouchebags definitely have in common with their leftist counterparts); probably some half-baked jingoistic populism coupled with anti-fed fiscal rightism.

smg's picture
smg
Offline
Joined: 20-06-09
Jun 18 2010 17:01
Quote:
LaRouche told NCLC members that they had to face their psychosexual fears in order to become more effective. In The Sexual Impotence of the Puerto Rican Socialist Party, he declared that "sexual impotency is generally the causal root of Left political impotency."[15][41]
jura's picture
jura
Offline
Joined: 25-07-08
Jun 18 2010 18:11
naughtonomist wrote:
yeah, he was a luxemburgist of some sort in the '60s (at least rhetorically), and even published a book on marxian economics, under the pen name of lyn marcus

Yeah, I have a copy of the book, but haven't had the time to read it yet. (I borrowed it from a comrade who mentioned that a contemporary leading independent left-communist theoretician whom I won't name recommended it to him as a good introduction to Marx's critique of p. e.!) Skimming through it it struck me that it seems to be quite heavy on pre-Marxian materialism and "dialectics".

jura's picture
jura
Offline
Joined: 25-07-08
Jun 18 2010 18:13
smg wrote:
Quote:
LaRouche told NCLC members that they had to face their psychosexual fears in order to become more effective. In The Sexual Impotence of the Puerto Rican Socialist Party, he declared that "sexual impotency is generally the causal root of Left political impotency."[15][41]

This definitely needs to be incorporated into the theory of the dangling left wing of capital smile.

jacobian
Offline
Joined: 18-03-09
Jun 18 2010 18:23

-FDR was Hitler too

Quote:
The Franklin Roosevelt tradition represented by LaRouche and his collaborators today

No, FDR is jesus.

Boris Badenov
Offline
Joined: 25-08-08
Jun 18 2010 18:25
jacobian wrote:
-FDR was Hitler too
Quote:
The Franklin Roosevelt tradition represented by LaRouche and his collaborators today

No, FDR is jesus.

Where's that quote from? I've definitely seen a poster of theirs where a Hilter mustached Obama was being compared to FDR.

Boris Badenov
Offline
Joined: 25-08-08
Jun 18 2010 18:34

Btw, some LaRouche "projects" (courtesy of wiki):

Quote:
* New Bretton Woods. Advocates the abandonment of floating exchange rates and the return to Bretton Woods-style fixed rates, with gold, or an equivalent, used as under the gold-reserve system. This is not to be confused with the gold standard, which LaRouche does not support.
* American System. Espouses a new "American System" of federalized infrastructure projects and national banks and regulation. Named for the historical American System of Henry Clay, but owing more to the ideas of the expansive American School.
* Eurasian Land Bridge. Lectures and writes on behalf of a "Eurasian land-bridge", a massive high-speed maglev railway project to span continents and re-invigorate industry and commerce.
* Verdi tuning. Argues in favor of the "Verdi tuning" in classical music, in which A=432Hz, as opposed to the common practice today of tuning to A=440 Hz.
* Mars colonization. Recommends colonization of the planet Mars, on similar basis as many others in the field, that human survivability depends on territorial diversification.
* AIDS epidemic. Demands identification and isolation of HIV carriers, in light of the virus's swift adaptability, which he argues could mutate into a lethal, possibly airborne pandemic, and proposes use of directed energy beams for cure.[186]
* Strategic Defense Initiative. Supported directed beam weapons for use against ICBMs, and claims credit as the first to propose this to Ronald Reagan. LaRouche does not support rocket-based defensive systems such as anti-ballistic missiles.
jacobian
Offline
Joined: 18-03-09
Jun 18 2010 19:00

FDR is definitely jesus.

I can't find the source of that quote [I think it was about the Philpines], but here is some more FDR fawning: http://www.larouchephil.com/content/fdr-tradition-philippines

You may have seen a comparison that showed that Obama was Hitler, and the only antidote was FDR rising on the third day.

The Verdi tuning thing is especially insane because they very nearly managed to get other tunings banned for use in opera houses in some regions of Italy.

In addition, certain types of mathematics are anathema - but Riemannian geometry is gods gift to man [I actually quite like Riemannian geometry, but I digress]. Squaring the circle is particularly important: http://www.larouchepac.com/pages/writings_files/2005/050722_pericles_syndrome.htm

Their news titles though are pretty awesome, and win hands down over both Weekly Worker and the Workers Hammer in terms of sheer nuttiness.

The sexual impotence of the Puerto Rican Socialist Party
Children of Satan III: "The Sexual Congress for Cultural Fascism"
Is the Devil In Your Laptop?

Oh, and anarchism is actually synarchism, or at least synarchists use anarchists as cannon fodder. Here is a refrence to that:

http://www.larouchepub.com/eiw/public/2006/2006_1-9/2006_1-9/2006-7/ibero.html

jura's picture
jura
Offline
Joined: 25-07-08
Jun 18 2010 19:29

BTW, the book on Marxian economics by LaRouche is freely available here: Dialectical Economics. I'd be interested in what you people think of it. Did anyone on here read it?

Libertaria's picture
Libertaria
Offline
Joined: 7-05-08
Jun 20 2010 17:21
Quote:
* Mars colonization. Recommends colonization of the planet Mars, on similar basis as many others in the field, that human survivability depends on territorial diversification.

I bet those organized IWW "space workers" will be the first to start this project!

Boris Badenov
Offline
Joined: 25-08-08
Jun 20 2010 17:45

It's only a matter of time before the ruthless and anti-impressionistic socialist leader Dundee United discovers LaRouchism.

Tart's picture
Tart
Offline
Joined: 3-04-08
Jul 14 2010 21:35

Has anyone in Glasgow come across the old twit Harry Mullen?- was in the BNP last time I heard of him. First time I met him he was a trot. He was involved with the Palestine support campaigns. He got angrier weirder and more anti-Semitic as he got older. Stupid cunt ended up a Nazi

Leutha's picture
Leutha
Offline
Joined: 26-03-06
Jul 15 2010 09:32

Some people may remember Rod McLaughlin, now better known as Jay Knott of Pacifica Forum!

ajjohnstone
Offline
Joined: 20-04-08
Jul 15 2010 20:33

The SPGB has never been a party to hide its skeletons in the closet. Of the founder members we saw them becoming a Labour Party member of the House of Lords, a President of the TUC and junior minister, a member of the Army Council of the IRA, a Communist Party journalist, and a Tory mayor and magistrate.
http://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/sep04/index.html

There was also Joan Lestor , Labour Party MP

A leading light of the Libertarian Alliance David Ramsey Steele is also an ex-SPGBer

jesuithitsquad's picture
jesuithitsquad
Offline
Joined: 11-10-08
Jul 15 2010 21:16
Leutha wrote:
Some people may remember Rod McLaughlin, now better known as Jay Knott of Pacifica Forum!

God what was that, a year and a half ago when he posted here? What a mess.

oisleep's picture
oisleep
Offline
Joined: 20-04-05
Jul 15 2010 22:36

i thought that was his son

888's picture
888
Offline
Joined: 30-09-03
Jul 16 2010 01:15
smg wrote:
Quote:
LaRouche told NCLC members that they had to face their psychosexual fears in order to become more effective. In The Sexual Impotence of the Puerto Rican Socialist Party, he declared that "sexual impotency is generally the causal root of Left political impotency."[15][41]

I completely forgot about that... Ripe for psychoanalysis.

vanilla.ice.baby
Offline
Joined: 9-08-07
Jul 16 2010 12:02
oisleep wrote:
long time ago - newcastle area

Yes you are correct, he runs Black Flame Books in Heaton, and is a twit. I've forgotten his name, but he's still on friendly terms with some local anarchos.

gypsy
Offline
Joined: 20-09-09
Jul 17 2010 12:08
Quote:
A study is being used to support the theory many educated, middle-aged left-wingers are in fact conservatives who can't admit it. Is this true?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-10633782

Boris Badenov
Offline
Joined: 25-08-08
Jul 17 2010 15:22
allybaba wrote:
Quote:
A study is being used to support the theory many educated, middle-aged left-wingers are in fact conservatives who can't admit it. Is this true?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-10633782

Quote:
"But when I was young I used to go on demos, chanting 'Maggie, Maggie, Maggie, out, out, out.' Now I'm chairman of the governors of an inner-city comprehensive - and I think I'm doing far more to turn my values into reality."

Depressing.
Right-wingers may choose to see this as proof of the "socialist when you're 20 tory when you're 40" rule, but what this study actually shows imo is that class has everything to do with politics. There have always been exceptions to the rule, but generally if you are born into money, all the radical chic in the world won't make you into an actual socialist. And it makes sense if you think about it; most, if not all really, people define themselves in opposition (or accordance) to what their peers think. The opposition starts when you realize mom and dad are middle class tory voters, and this obviously makes you want to jump into the first student demo you see. But after you graduate and end up in a nice middle income job, the conciliatory mindset kicks in, and as most of your peers are likely to be middle class Tory voters (or "moderate" Labour voters, it doesn't really matter) that's what you will (likely) settle for. And it's easy to justify it; you tell yourself that "it is the duty of youth to dream" and all that shite. End of story.
But even those leftists who manage to cling onto their "youthful radicalism" ultimately make no evolution towards a genuine socialist position as the above quote shows. From student activist to "chairman of the governors of an inner-city comprehensive" - this is the progress of the Labourite rake.

gypsy
Offline
Joined: 20-09-09
Jul 17 2010 15:29
mateofthebloke wrote:
allybaba wrote:
Quote:
A study is being used to support the theory many educated, middle-aged left-wingers are in fact conservatives who can't admit it. Is this true?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-10633782

Quote:
"But when I was young I used to go on demos, chanting 'Maggie, Maggie, Maggie, out, out, out.' Now I'm chairman of the governors of an inner-city comprehensive - and I think I'm doing far more to turn my values into reality."

Depressing.
Right-wingers may choose to see this as proof of the "socialist when you're 20 tory when you're 40" rule, but what this study actually shows imo is that class has everything to do with politics. There have always been exceptions to the rule, but generally if you are born into money, all the radical chic in the world won't make you into an actual socialist. And it makes sense if you think about it; most, if not all really, people define themselves in opposition (or accordance) to what their peers think. The opposition starts when you realize mom and dad are middle class tory voters, and this obviously makes you want to jump into the first student demo you see. But after you graduate and end up in a nice middle income job, the conciliatory mindset kicks in, and as most of your peers are likely to be middle class Tory voters (or "moderate" Labour voters, it doesn't really matter) that's what you will (likely) settle for. And it's easy to justify it; you tell yourself that "it is the duty of youth to dream" and all that shite. End of story.
But even those leftists who manage to cling onto their "youthful radicalism" ultimately make no evolution towards a genuine socialist position as the above quote shows. From student activist to "chairman of the governors of an inner-city comprehensive" - this is the progress of the Labourite rake.

Yeah I agree with you vlad. Also what I found funny was billy bragg used the example of tony benn to show someone who has become more radical as he got older. I would not call him radical even for a liberal thats stretching it.

vanilla.ice.baby
Offline
Joined: 9-08-07
Jul 17 2010 18:00

I'm actually "running" for school governor as part of an "anti-academy" slate. Despite not being a pupil, parent, or school worker... embarrassed
Don't think it means I'm becoming more rightwing though.

vanilla.ice.baby
Offline
Joined: 9-08-07
Jul 17 2010 18:05
allybaba wrote:

Yeah I agree with you vlad. Also what I found funny was billy bragg used the example of tony benn to show someone who has become more radical as he got older. I would not call him radical even for a liberal thats stretching it.

I wouldn't call Bragg a radical no, but Tony Benn is. That's not to deny that he is a middle (even upper) class type and that does have a massive effect on his views and actions, but he does come across as someone who believes in real radical progressive social change, and in using mass action of various sorts to achieve it. As for becoming more radical as he has got older while some of it is more to do with finding it easier to be radical out of government than in, I think he has clearly shifted quite far to the left of his earlier politics.

For a middle class liberal Labour doyenn, he's alright, maybe not a libcom but then who is?

gypsy
Offline
Joined: 20-09-09
Jul 17 2010 19:10
vanilla.ice.baby wrote:
allybaba wrote:

Yeah I agree with you vlad. Also what I found funny was billy bragg used the example of tony benn to show someone who has become more radical as he got older. I would not call him radical even for a liberal thats stretching it.

I wouldn't call Bragg a radical no, but Tony Benn is. That's not to deny that he is a middle (even upper) class type and that does have a massive effect on his views and actions, but he does come across as someone who believes in real radical progressive social change, and in using mass action of various sorts to achieve it. As for becoming more radical as he has got older while some of it is more to do with finding it easier to be radical out of government than in, I think he has clearly shifted quite far to the left of his earlier politics.

For a middle class liberal Labour doyenn, he's alright, maybe not a libcom but then who is?

Tony Benn is not radical.