Help with new libcom feature - the "revolutionary wave"

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Aug 25 2007 01:33

There was a "line" (Schlageter, I think it was its name?) within the KPD for a brief time in the mid 1920's which was all about wooing fascists. There was also the trend towards a "National Bolshevism" which infected both the fledgling KAPD (they were quickly kicked out) and the KPD as the Comintern had them protest against the Versailles Treaty. This background led to the rather embarassing history of KPD/NSDAP collaboration, with the KPD trying on and off to recruit the proletarian elements within the SA. I recall somewhere the KPD voted with the Nazis to have a regional state seize the property of Jewish capitalists in the 1930's, and everyone knows about the transport strike in Berlin they supported together.

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Sep 2 2007 10:52
syndicalist wrote:
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http://www.radical press.com/?page_id=501
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COPYRIGHT - RADICAL PRESS

In the Social Storm: Memoirs of the Russian Revolution

By Boris Yelensky

Author’s Preface and Prologue:
http://forum.radical press.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1470

Syndicalist - you know these guys? No contact details I can find on that site.

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Sep 2 2007 11:07
Iron Column wrote:
everyone knows about the transport strike in Berlin they supported together.

I don't - link?

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Sep 2 2007 11:11

OK so I've gone through both http://libcom.org/tags/russian-revolution and http://libcom.org/tags/german-revolution-1918 and sorted out an image and rough introduction for just about everything. Also found a load of good German revolution photos which are now here. The exception is about 4-5 pdfs on Russia from endpage, which we ought to convert to text, at least the important ones.

Also German Revolution I did a few searches to find articles that weren't in it, haven't done the same for Russia yet but I know there's at least one or two missing from the tag.

This gave me a chance to get more of an overview of what we do and don't have.

We've got a fair bit on:
Workers' control/factory comittees etc.
Makhnovists/Ukraine
Anarchists in Russia itself
Kronstadt

We've got some stuff, but could do with a bit more on - general chronology, Bolshevik opposition (workers opposition, workers group/miasnikov).
Also to add to that we've got plenty on the USSR, and we should collate a list of relevant forum discussions on it as well. Also I think we should tag stuff about the Bolshevik party (and any bios of bolsheviks) with a Bolsheviks tag since we don't have one.
Also it'd be good to work out what we think the most important articles are and have a list somewhere.

Also do we want to include any key texts by the wrong side - April Theses, Hue and Cry over Kronstadt (good candidate for best of the worst that one!), that sort of thing? That could also involve making a proper Lenin + Trotsky tags and putting any critical things about their ideas specifically (like the Pannekoek analysis of Lenin as Kautskyist) in it.

Any stuff online we don't have (that account syndicalist posted, "the truth about kronstadt") - good time to put up.

http://libcom.org/intro/russian-revolution-1917-1921 - we should update this to include a general overview of what happened with relevant links 1000 words-ish, and more of the key articles/related tags things as well and try to expand reading list maybe. Good opportunity to work on theming these a bit.

Initial ideas on the Russian Revolution panel itself:
nice graphical header thing.
Short paragraph on why it's important 90 years later - this could be first para of intro article with a link to the whole thing.
Then the main sections of stuff we've got that I outlined above - one block each + a random article block somewhere.

How's that sound?

Main revolutionary wave thing I think we should do it by region - each one getting a block with links either to individual articles if we only have one or two, or tag indexes.

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Sep 2 2007 11:34

Radical Press is apparently run by a guy called Arthur Topham. You can email him at radical(at)radicalpress.com.
In case you haven't noticed, his site is openly anti-semitic and filled with right-wing conspiracy-nonsense, and among other things includes the "Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion", so I doubt you will have a very fruitful conversation with him.

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Sep 2 2007 11:46
Felix Frost wrote:
Radical Press is apparently run by a guy called Arthur Topham. You can email him at radical(at)radicalpress.com.
In case you haven't noticed, his site is openly anti-semitic and filled with right-wing conspiracy-nonsense, and among other things includes the "Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion", so I doubt you will have a very fruitful conversation with him.

up now. It's not even a book - they just divided up papers that have been widely known about for a while into arbritary chapters and stuck 'em on the 'net, so I find the copyright claims extremely tenuous.

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Sep 2 2007 12:52
Mike Harman wrote:
Also do we want to include any key texts by the wrong side - April Theses, Hue and Cry over Kronstadt (good candidate for best of the worst that one!), that sort of thing? That could also involve making a proper Lenin + Trotsky tags and putting any critical things about their ideas specifically (like the Pannekoek analysis of Lenin as Kautskyist) in it.

Why not just link to the Lenin & Trotsky stuff on marxist.org etc?

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Sep 2 2007 12:56

Hey Catch, do you reckon it might be an idea to date the revolutionary wave tag i.e. 'revolutionary wave 1915-1926'. Just coz I can see us wanting to also do other revolutionary wave features as well (I think someone mentioned 1953-56, 1968-77??, I dunno something like that).

I'll also have a look for any interesting stuff on Marxism.org about the Bolshevik opposition groups and see if there's a general chronology. I think its a good idea to make a Bolsheviks tag too but think that having actual texts by Lenin and Trotsky is a bit much. There are loads of Trot sites about to do that and if we break that seal then we're probably also gonna have to put Stalin, Castro, Mao, Guevara, Ho Chi Minh etc etc. We might even have to start putting relevant fascist texts in there as well. All in all, I reckon its enough for us to have the critiques and let people find the other texts elsewhere. We should keep that can of worms shut in my opinion..

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Sep 2 2007 13:11
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Also do we want to include any key texts by the wrong side - April Theses, Hue and Cry over Kronstadt (good candidate for best of the worst that one!), that sort of thing? That could also involve making a proper Lenin + Trotsky tags and putting any critical things about their ideas specifically (like the Pannekoek analysis of Lenin as Kautskyist) in it.

Why not just link to the Lenin & Trotsky stuff on marxist.org etc?

Much better idea. Things which there's only one copy of are worth duplicating in case sites disappear, but those are everywhere + marxists.org is at least as stable as we are.

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Sep 2 2007 13:15
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Hey Catch, do you reckon it might be an idea to date the revolutionary wave tag i.e. 'revolutionary wave 1915-1926'. Just coz I can see us wanting to also do other revolutionary wave features as well (I think someone mentioned 1953-56, 1968-77??, I dunno something like that).

Dating the tag sounds sensible. Also we should only use it where the article is the only or main one for an event/region (i.e. not all russia articles) - otherwise it's a bit pointless to have it at all.

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I'll also have a look for any interesting stuff on Marxism.org about the Bolshevik opposition groups and see if there's a general chronology. I think its a good idea to make a Bolsheviks tag too but think that having actual texts by Lenin and Trotsky is a bit much. There are loads of Trot sites about to do that and if we break that seal then we're probably also gonna have to put Stalin, Castro, Mao, Guevara, Ho Chi Minh etc etc. We might even have to start putting relevant fascist texts in there as well. All in all, I reckon its enough for us to have the critiques and let people find the other texts elsewhere. We should keep that can of worms shut in my opinion..

Yeah agree 100% with that, don't know what I was thinking. Sometimes I forget that links exist and we don't have to have everything in the world inside a tag list. More Bolshevik opposition stuff would be good to have though, I've got a book out of the library which has a bio of Klepikov (looks like minor player in the opposition groups, big workplace organiser north east of Moscow until late '20s), going to try to do a quick article on him before the book has to go back.

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Sep 2 2007 16:17

On the 50th Anniversary of the Winnipeg General Strike/founding of the OBU

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Sep 2 2007 16:20

Right done a bit of digging on the Workers' Opposition, just got a couple of leading members and a general overview of the group. Reckon we should try and knock together a short history with some criticisms of them i.e. them not leaving the Bolsheviks, not piping up after Kronstadt and then have some biographies and links to important/good articles. Anyway, here's what I got:

Workers Opposition entry in Encyclopedia of Marxism
Alexandra Kollontai
Alexander Shliapnikov
Sergei Medvedev
What were the limitations of the 'Workers Opposition' of 1920? at the anarchistfaq.org

Kronstadt discussions mentioning Workers' Opposition 1 and 2

Also found this timeline of 1917 on marxists but not good for the rest of the period. I also think its too detailed in some ways and also contains loads of inane shite about Lenin.. wink

Not started looking at Myasnikov yet, but his lot seem a lot more interesting tbh. Will get cracking on it.

NB: I was also thinking that we should change the Russian Revolution tag to say 'Russian Revolution 1917'.

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Sep 2 2007 17:04

Grr, Catch, I created a tag for Bolsheviks but then something fucked up and now we have the tag but with no tags/bolsheviks redirect, just the taxonomy/term/2470 thing. I've been trying to delete the term but I can't work out how to. If you could tell me how its done then I can get cracking with trying to do it again. Cheers.

EDIT: Er, and the russian revolution tag looks all weird now. Is that my doing?

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Sep 2 2007 20:11

Looks like you deleted the taxonomy/term override in views which sent russian revolution tag back to default appearance, don't worry, put it back in.

With the redirect - go to /admin then find url aliases (should be in content) you can add tags/bolsheviks for taxonomy/term/2470 as the system path.

Or go to /admin then taxonomy manager, search for bolsheviks, delete it, add it again in an article. that'll work as well.

Yeah Miasnikov much, much better than Workers' Opposition.

Timeline looks alright.

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Sep 3 2007 10:50

Deleted the bolsheviks tags in taxonomy manager but it still exists in the "Authors, people and groups.." section in the create content pages. Slightly confused, sorry mate.. confused

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Sep 3 2007 10:53

check whether it's also in authors people and groups - could be in both that and tags.

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Sep 3 2007 13:46

Cheers for that mate, sorted the Bolshevik tagging stuff out now.

I've added a few of Shliapnikov's article to the library but am not sure about what to do with the biography. Should I stick it in history or the library? Just a little confused coz of what's gonna happen with the history and library sections now. Anyway, should be able to stick up a bit of Kollontai's stuff tonight. Reckon I'll just stick up her bio, her Workers Opposition writings and some of the feminist articles. She's got some other very Bolshevik stuff (unsurprisingly) but we're not putting that in, right?

Also, does anyone have anything about them and Kronstadt? I've not been able to find anything about their activity (or lack of it as it seems) around that as I get the feeling it was one their key failures.

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Sep 3 2007 13:53

There's something about them volunteering to leave a congress to go fight the insurgents. On here somewhere - not sure if article or forum topic.

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Sep 3 2007 13:57

we have most of these, but just in case not: http://www.angelfire.com/nb/revhist17/ these are also some we need to convert from iffy pdfs to text.

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Sep 3 2007 18:22

Don't have time to add lots, but there's a couple of glaring omissions from the "revolutionary wave", namely Italy & Hungary, both of which has enormous revolutionary tumult at the time. I think there's a lot more revolutionary activity in central and eastern Europe we just don't have a lot of material about from the same period.
Worth explicitly linking in the late WW1 mutinies across the board I'd reckon.
The repression of the Australian IWW was also explicitly linked to the first world war, and its role in the successful anti-conscription referendum, though this may fall outside the scope, it's always worth flagging up.

Regards,

Martin

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Sep 3 2007 19:02
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Don't have time to add lots, but there's a couple of glaring omissions from the "revolutionary wave", namely Italy & Hungary, both of which has enormous revolutionary tumult at the time.

Been looking around for Hungary but couldn't find anything much - if anyone knows that'd be great.

Italy - will see what we've got, have a feeling it's not very much.

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I think there's a lot more revolutionary activity in central and eastern Europe we just don't have a lot of material about from the same period.

Yeah definitely, came across something about Lithuania today, will try to read a bit later on.

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Worth explicitly linking in the late WW1 mutinies across the board I'd reckon.

Yeah we have articles on some, mutinies tag should ahve them.

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The repression of the Australian IWW was also explicitly linked to the first world war, and its role in the successful anti-conscription referendum, though this may fall outside the scope, it's always worth flagging up.

Probably have a bit on IWW in the US, could be linked from that I think.

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Sep 3 2007 21:19

OK found trot stuff on Hungary.

Also this: http://mek.oszk.hu/03400/03407/html/433.html

Not much around.

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Sep 3 2007 23:12

Yeah, cheers for that Martin, I'd completely forgotten about Hungary. Here we go..

1918: The Hungarian Revolution

Also, where should I stick the biographies? Are they staying in history or the library?

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Sep 4 2007 09:41

er dunno about bios. If they fit history lengths probably history. If we merge them it won't matter in the end anyway.

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Sep 4 2007 10:28

just looked at all this - nice work you guys, really great stuff. done some tidying/tagging/formatting/location info etc.

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Sep 4 2007 14:14

Oi Ed - don't add book pages to library articles. I know the software tells you to but it's wrong.

Add library pages, then use the "outline" tab to put them in a book. This will be really irritating to undo so STOP NOW BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE! wink

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Sep 4 2007 14:19

AARGH!! I've just finished adding the last page!

Gonna leave it for now but will undo later.

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Sep 4 2007 16:42

Right mate, here's the node list:

Parent page: /node/17551
1st Page: /node/17552
2nd Page: /node/17553
3rd Page: /node/17554

Do what you will...

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Sep 4 2007 16:55

Thanks. Fixed!

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Sep 11 2007 18:46

Alright, so I got panels two working (rkn alpha9 is in now, alpha10 had some weird bugs), and a first pass at a Russian Revolution feature is here: http://libcom.org/history/russian-revolution

Needs:
A decent image, that was a 30 second one just to have something to put there
A check over for typos etc.
Section on anarchists + maybe SRs and Mensheviks if we've got anything. I found out it's not possible to make /tag/tag filters with views yet, so we can't make dynamic views like "/russian-revolution/anarchists" - would have to make one each or something. But I reckon one line intro, few key links is fine since the main archive has everything.

That also means it's not easy to make a list of "just articles about the soviets and factory committees" - but again we don't have that much stuff so I think it's overkill.