Help with new libcom feature - the "revolutionary wave"

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Mike Harman
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Sep 19 2007 20:21

Map with blobs: http://libcom.org/files/revwaveblob.png

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Sep 21 2007 13:11

Right, I've added a few more links to the original post. Will try and carve some stuff out of them soon. Mostly US strikes in the period but also some info on Edmonton and Calgary general strikes to go alongside the Winnipeg one.

Also Catch, the blob map isn't opening fully for me but I think I get the idea. The problems I see with both of them are sort of just reflections of each other. The block colour one will be good for things like UK general strike which was nationwide but not for things like the Seattle general strike as its too local. Conversely, the blobs are good for local events like the Seattle general strike but not so good for nationwide strikes like the UK general strike wink Don't really know how to reconcile this problem really sad

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Sep 21 2007 13:28

Nice one with the US/Canada stuff. See what you mean about blogs/blocks - tricky. We could try a mixture but dunno how that'd work.

Even better would be get google maps working with a filter by "revolutionary wave" tag and have that up top..

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Sep 26 2007 18:19

OK I'm working on an intro to this before the panel gets set up.

I've noticed we don't have any information on France during the period, and I don't know anything about it either. Also anyone happen to know what was going on in Korea then as well? And apparently Iran between 1905-1907 had loads going on as a knock-on effect of the 1905 revolution in Russia, but there's precious little about it anywhere.

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Sep 26 2007 18:26

shit Ed did you find this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_strikes#1910s

ooooooooh.

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Sep 26 2007 21:59

the stuff on iran i've mostly read in this book, which itself is mostly based on assef bayat's account of the '79 revolution and its precursors. i can check if there's a section that can be scanned, or failing that after this weekend i might have time to knock together a basic account.

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Sep 27 2007 12:23
Mike Harman wrote:
shit Ed did you find this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_strikes#1910s

ooooooooh.

Yeah, I was quite pleased with that too cool

Is there anything else I can do in the meantime mate? I feel a bit at a loss tbh..

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Sep 27 2007 14:05

Could do with editing this, maybe adding Americas, Africa, Oceania. Also looking at what's missing from OP in that whether it can be fitted in easily or not.
http://libcom.org/history/revolutionary-wave-1905-1927 (also last chance to veto that date range I guess).

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Sep 27 2007 14:22

More on Africa:

Sierra Leone, 1919, 1920, 1926 (Railways)
Porto Novo 1923
Nigeria 1920
Gambia 1921 1929 [url=http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0001-9909(198910)88%3A353%3C549%3ATUITG%3E2.0.CO%3B2-8]here[/url] and here

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Sep 27 2007 14:49

Yeah, will get to that stuff on the weekend.

I'm still against using that date range. Even though those events (1905 Russia etc) should be mentioned to give context/background to the period I really don't think that the revolutionary wave tag should include them coz I'm not sure of the strength of continuity. Of course there were strikes etc but I don't think they were of the same magnitude or quantity. Personally I would have it from 1914 to 1926 and then talk about stuff happening outside of that period as either context or the final defeats.

I mean, we mention the Spanish Civil War in that feature, and that's well outside the period 1905-1927 so I don't see why we can't make the period start later while still mentioning things which happened outside of it.

Also, you've left out the British general strike. Loser wink

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Sep 27 2007 15:13

Just had a quick look at it (couldn't help myself), edited a bit but got confused by this bit (mostly coz I don't know anything about the history of it):

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China saw both class and nationalist struggles during the period, with the 1922 Hong Kong strike and the **1927 Shanghai Commune** being particular high points of the former.

Are you saying that these struggles were nationalist ones (I don't think the Hong Kong strike was)? Or something else?

I also can't read either of those two links on African strikes coz I'm not at a uni computer. Will try and do it soon but possibly won't be able to til the new year. They look good from what JSTOR will let me see though.

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Sep 27 2007 15:15

the former being class in that sentence

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Sep 27 2007 21:07

exactly. you passed the test!

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Sep 28 2007 00:13
Ed wrote:
Even though those events (1905 Russia etc) should be mentioned to give context/background to the period I really don't think that the revolutionary wave tag should include them coz I'm not sure of the strength of continuity. Of course there were strikes etc but I don't think they were of the same magnitude or quantity. Personally I would have it from 1914 to 1926

Disagree again. As regards 'continuity'; one of the most useful observations of that period is the inadequacy/cop out/dishonesty of social democracy and most other political tendencies in their practical response to outbreak of WWI, despite their earlier formal opposition. Also, one can hardly say 1905 and the Mexican Revolution are lacking in 'magnitude'.

On 'quantity'; looking at a chart of working days lost in the period 1905-26 - the highest cluster/peak is 1919-23, though highest year of all is obviously 1926. The years 1911-14 are the next highest cluster/peak. But 3rd highest year of all is 1912, 8th 1908 & 9th is 1911.
Edit; Btw, that's working days lost in the UK.

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Sep 28 2007 14:44

I'm not saying that Russia 1905 or the Mexican Revolution weren't massive events but I think they're more isolated than the struggles in the period 1914-1926. I mean, beginning with Red Clydeside (1915 I know, but I think WW1 marks a good date to start with) there was pretty much a general strike or near-revolution every year until about 1922, not to mention repression in the form of fascism is Italy, state sanctioned murders in the US, Chilean white terror etc.

1905 to 1915 I can think of Russia and Mexico, I think Joseph K. mentioned something about Iran. Some important riots and strikes in the US as well. But nothing that I would say constituted a wave, just isolated incidents (haha, I feel like such a cunt "Wheatland Hop Riot, that's nothing mate..").

When I talk about continuity, I don't mean that there's nothing for us to talk about in the years 1905 to 1914 but that I think the revolutionary wave feature should be about the working class going on the offensive in a way which, even if events like Russia and Mexico set the groundwork, were unprecedented just in the frequency that they kept happening in.

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Sep 28 2007 15:00

tbh, I think we should take the dates out of the title and the url, keep the text roughly as is. Not just to solve this argument wink, but because the major events later on aren't really 'revolutionary waves' and we should come up with different titles for them anyway.

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Sep 28 2007 17:26

okay cool, but just as long as you and ret realise that I'm right wink

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Sep 28 2007 20:17

I realise you probably won't be persuaded that you're not wink
I prefer catch's suggestion anyway.

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Oct 2 2007 19:13

Here's the first part of the Russian Revolution comics I promised you:
http://nihil.subvert.info/GodlessCommunism.pdf
Hope you like it.

It might need some proofreading.
I'll finish part 2 in a week or so.

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Oct 3 2007 13:07

The Origins of the Anarchist Movement in China by Albert Meltzer

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Oct 6 2007 19:17
Ret Marut wrote:
As the Mexican Revolution began in 1910 and the radical forces were all crushed by 1916 I think the period should be extended; to include the 1905 Revolution, which in many ways opened the period

Agreed...when I get the chance I'll write up a couple of the key pre-Mexican Revolution strikes: Cananea, Río Blanco, El Bajío etc. Right now I'm writing a mother about contemporary Mexican revolutionary politics. Admin should expect it today (hopefully).

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Oct 7 2007 11:50
Felix Frost wrote:
Here's the first part of the Russian Revolution comics I promised you:
http://nihil.subvert.info/GodlessCommunism.pdf
Hope you like it.

It might need some proofreading.
I'll finish part 2 in a week or so.

Felix, this is very, very nice.

I noticed a couple of typos on first reading, will go through again properly and send them over.

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Nov 30 2007 11:48
EdmontonWobbly wrote:
]...] as well a comrade in Edmonton is currently in the process of translating the first volume of Makhno's memoirs into english. Unfortunately this will all take some time, but I will talk to him about possibly providing electronic copies for the libcom library.

Sorry, I've just seen this now (30.11.07). Actually, there is already a project in hand for translating Makhno's Memoirs into English... all 3 volumes. It is a work in progress, and has been going on for the last 3 years or so. Maybe you could ask the comrade in Edmonton who is working on it to contact me and I will put him in touch with the existing project? nestor_mcnab -A- yahoo.co.uk