Multiculturalism, Equal Opportunities, and all that Bollocks

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May 31 2007 15:03

can you name any that the bougeois media is ok with. if not, why is it an issue?

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May 31 2007 15:07

yeah, the point i was making fwiw, is that human sacrifice has never had much of a relationship with 'pluralism', no? Except with the loony left? Correct me if I'm wrong.

Eta: sorry if I'm being unclear.

Has 'pluralism' ever materially manifested as gross "ethical" cultural relativism?

Eta2: Yeah I suppose some bougeois media might use the concept to justify their own actions. Are these all grossly totalitarian regimes though? As such is it necessary communist to oppose pluralism?

Eta3: Sorry I should be clearer and less all over the place (-forgive me. i don't know where anyone is coming at all except the icc lot. and then i'm only guessing)

Isn't it the case that only a nationalist-totalitarian regime could justify human sacrifice with 'pluralism'. British meida doesn't (- correct me if I'm wrong). And isn't it best to guard against the communist movement becoming totalitarian, rather than combating fascism, state-capitalism, etc., working to strengthen particluar sections of the bougeois.

Just arguing/learing tbh, so i won't take offence if this is ignored.

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May 31 2007 15:14
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Has 'pluralism' ever materially manifested as gross "ethical" cultural relativism?

Only in the theoretical arguments a few postmodern professors and hyperbolic propaganda of reactionary talk radio hosts.

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May 31 2007 15:47

Shrug. I guess you all are just too smart for me.

I refuse to believe that it is because i am reactionary. And the anarchist movement can't be so fucked that it's you all being reactionary.

meh.

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May 31 2007 15:49

Could we all take time to read over the Wikipedia entry on Multiculturalism. Whether we agree with those definitions or not, I think we could all agree that entry does represent a lot of ways the word is commonly used.

This is a particularly interesting section:

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Post-multiculturalism in Europe

Following the collapse of the consensus on multiculturalism, several European Union countries have introduced policies for 'social cohesion', 'integration', and (sometimes) 'assimilation'. They are sometimes a direct reversal of earlier multiculturalist policies, and seek to assimilate immigrant minorities and restore a de facto monocultural society. They include restriction of immigration - assimilation and immigration law on new immigrants are no longer seen as separate issues. The policies include:

* compulsory language courses in the national language, assessed by a compulsory language test - for immigrants, and in some cases for those of immigrant descent
* compulsory courses and/or tests on national history, on the constitution and the legal system, see Life in the United Kingdom test
* introduction of an official national history, such as the national canon defined for the Netherlands by the van Oostrom Commission, and promotion of that history, for instance by exhibitions about national heroes.
* official campaigns to promote national unity, and individual identification with the nation - such as the campaign Du bist Deutschland in Germany
* official lists of national values, and tests of acceptance of these values
* tests designed to elicit 'unacceptable' values, such as the "Muslim-test" in Germany. In Baden-Württemberg immigrants are asked what they would do, if their son says he is a homosexual. (The expected answer is that they would accept it).
* restriction on spouses or children joining immigrants already in the country, and age and income restrictions on non-western marriage partners, sometimes with language tests for potential spouses, in their country of origin
* official declarations - so far not laws - specifying that only the national language may be spoken in certain areas.
* language prohibitions in schools, universities, and public buildings. Language bans have also been proposed for public transport and hospitals.
* prohibitions on Islamic dress and especially the burqa.
* introduction of an oath of allegiance or loyalty oath for immigrants, usually following naturalisation, and usually during a compulsory ceremony.

Some of the measures, especially those seeking to promote patriotic identification, have an element of kitsch. In the Netherlands, the naturalisation ceremony includes a gift symbolising national unity. In Gouda it is a candle in the national colours red-white-blue, in Amsterdam a Delftware potato with floral motives.

There are proposed measures, which go much further than these. They typically, but not always, come from right-wing parties and their supporters. Although implementation is not on the political agenda in any EU state, the proposals illustrate the 'post-multicultural' climate: a loyalty oath for all citizens, legal prohibition of public use of a foreign language, cessation of all immigration, withdrawal from the European Union, a compulsory (non-military) national service, a ban on the construction of mosques, closure of all Islamic schools, or a complete ban on Islam. These could be put in place in the near future in some EU countries which could start to an all round policy on monoculturalism and the policies stated above.

Besides the Islamophobia, it seems opposition to multiculturalism means legally enforcing the worship of the existing nation-state.

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May 31 2007 15:49

lem i'm not really sure who you're talking to or what you're on about, hence the lack of response neutral

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May 31 2007 15:57
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it seems opposition to multiculturalism means legally mandated worshipping the existing nation-state.

i'm leaving work in 2 minutes, but briefly, that's complete bollocks.

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May 31 2007 15:59

sad I really don't see why no-one can understand my posts. It's not like I'm talking complex info. Just an argument that something about welcoming a variety of cultures is a good thing.

It's obvious that I'm talking to you J.K., flint, Jack, and anyone else that wanders along. Surely?

And fwiw: I don't rate the idea that 'anti-mc legally enforces the existing nation state'. Not sure why, but it hasn't really sat with me since hearing about how divisive it can be: such that mc can benefir capital, capital is still national, therefore it does not strengthen the nation state simpliciter.

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May 31 2007 16:39
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:( I really don't see why no-one can understand my posts. It's not like I'm talking complex info. Just an argument that something about welcoming a variety of cultures is a good thing.

It's obvious that I'm talking to you J.K., flint, Jack, and anyone else that wanders along. Surely?

And fwiw: I don't rate the idea that 'anti-mc legally enforces the existing nation state'. Not sure why, but it hasn't really sat with me since hearing about how divisive it can be: such that mc can benefir capital, capital is still national, therefore it does not strengthen the nation state simpliciter.

Well the outlined policies for "monoculturalism" all seem to strengthen the state. These are actual policies, not hypotheticals like "multiculturalism" leading to tolerance of cutting off women's genitalia.

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May 31 2007 16:43

I would also be surprised if many working class people would say that they would like a mono cultural.

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May 31 2007 16:48
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I would also be surprised if many working class people would say that they would like a mono cultural.

Depends how rigidly define culture. I know many working class people don't care what your culture is, as long as you goto a Christian church, speak English, dress acceptably, don't race-mix (it's bad for the mixed children, see...), are monogamous and heterosexual.

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May 31 2007 19:25

Definitely multiculturalism is relativist! That's the point - "oh if Muslims women are forced by their culture to wear veils, well who are we to impose our standards on them??!!!" Interracial marriage is in direct contradiction to multiculturalism. Why has no one adressed the fact that fascists are adament multiculturalists (particulary nowadays)? Fascists
a) are multiculturalists (diversity thru seperation)
b) multicultural government policy (such as affirmative action) and media propaganda (blaming white w/c people for everything) is recruiting overtime for the fascists
Multiculturalism is going hand in hand with fascism, as the articles point out. Here's how fascists/multiculturalists see the world: humanity is like a rinbow, mix the colors, and you go grey, seperate the colors and you got a lovely, diverse rainbow! As one of the Red Action article says

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Britain 'has the highest number of interracial relationships in the world' according to the Institute for Social and Economic Research. This supremely natural and healthy state of affairs, is however, not due to multiculturalism but in spite of it. For multiculturalist ideology, which believes that 'culture makes man' rather than the other way round, sets its face firmly against miscegenation, integration and assimilation - on principle.
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May 31 2007 19:34

ok but do you think a mono-cultural is a bad thing? and what's to stop using some of the insights of multi-culturalism (-e.g. that one culture one people is unpleasent).

eta: I'm not being v clear again.

i don't think anyone here supports bourgeois mulit-culturalism. is all acknowledgement of perceived diversity relativist? theoretically i can't see how it could be. and in terms of practically, there must be some communist currents that do not want a single culture?

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May 31 2007 20:21
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Definitely multiculturalism is relativist! That's the point - "oh if Muslims women are forced by their culture to wear veils, well who are we to impose our standards on them??!!!"

Except there are Muslim women who don't wear the veil. Just like their are Jewish women who don't cover their head, just like there are also Christian women who still do, etc... we should keep the State out of the Fashion Police business. If people want to wear funny hats, or not wear funny hats; that's fine. It should be up to the individual. There is a modest apparel shop a few blocks from my home, there is also a BDSM fetish fashion shop and a number of clothing shops favored by drag queens. Sounds fine to me.

Some cultural values should be regarded relativistically. I don't care if some group of people eat fish on Friday, or don't work on a Saturday (or Sunday), break glassware at wedding, or speak a language I'm not fluent in. I don't care how they dress. I don't care what music they like, or how they prefer to dance. I think the should have public space to do whatever, particularly if whoever is invited. I also think that I get to invite the guests I want to my birthday party or whatever and don't feel any obligation to invite strangers.

Then there are some cultural values you have to take an ethical stance against; and my ethics are informed by my anarchism (or maybe it's the other way around). So, female genital mutilation is right out... but so is drunken fraternity brothers engaging in gang rape of inebriated college women. I oppose domestic spousal abuse not because the Iroquois' opposition to it meant they have a superior culture and that the English colonists should have been forced to adopt an Iroquoisian culture in it's entirety; but rather because it's wrong for husbands to beat their wives.

I do think racially segregated communities, schools, etc... are a bad plan. Please provide a list of ones that aren't run by white folks in the U.S. I got no problem with folks having the option to voluntarily focus on a particular language and/or culture. A lot of white folks aren't pounding down the door to go to the Akwesasne Freedom School, though I suppose it would depend upon your definition of "white".

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Interracial marriage is in direct contradiction to multiculturalism. Why has no one adressed the fact that fascists are adament multiculturalists (particulary nowadays)? Fascists
a) are multiculturalists (diversity thru seperation)
b) multicultural government policy (such as affirmative action) and media propaganda (blaming white w/c people for everything) is recruiting overtime for the fascists
Multiculturalism is going hand in hand with fascism, as the articles point out.

For your own education, I suggest you stop placing so much importance on Third Positionist Fascist literature. They are an extreme minority in what is already a fringe political position. Most fascists are still monoculturalists. They want separate nation-states, and those nation-states to have one culture--theirs. If you think otherwise, you are deluding yourself.

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May 31 2007 21:25

Good posts Flint.

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May 31 2007 21:52
daniel wrote:
Interracial marriage is in direct contradiction to multiculturalism.

Hits the point bang on the head. Multi-culturalism is about creating and strengthening static divisions between immigrant communities and then tying them to the state through the most weird and wonderful world of 'community leaders'. To assume that we need this construct or indeed that there are somehow preserved cultures which exist on a plane unmoved by modernity or interaction is a gross form of liberal racism, as are the occassional assertions that we should tolerate all cultural practices.

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May 31 2007 21:55

so you are pro mono-culture? ^^

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May 31 2007 22:02
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Interracial marriage is in direct contradiction to multiculturalism.

Then what the fuck would a "multicultural family" be?

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Why you insist on talking about shit you don't understand is beyond me.

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May 31 2007 22:44

fwiw i don't think anyone is trying to claim multi-culturalism for communism. just that people are unsure what word to use.

A fellow worker turns to you one day and says "Friend. We are brothers, but i think that we are different. Your skill at maths and ability to speak french convinces me that we are different people". Do you turn to him and say "Comrade, that is not true! I cannot continue to work with you for a better world if you feel like that".

Or do you just quietly nod and move away grin

No I mean.There's going to be different cultures under communism (unless something weird happens with technology). So I think there's nothing communist about a mono-culture. I suppose you could say that there is something desirable about it so we should aim towards it.

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May 31 2007 22:46
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fwiw i don't think anyone is trying to claim multi-culturalism for communism. just that people are unsure what word to use.

A fellow worker turns to you one day and says "Friend. We are brothers, but i think that we are different. Your skill at maths and ability to speak french convinces me that we are different people". Do you turn to him and say "Comrade, that is not true! I cannot continue to work with you for a better world if you feel like that".

Or do you just quietly nod and move away grin

No I mean.There's going to be different cultures under communism (unless something weird happens with technology). So I think there's nothing communist about a mono-culture. I suppose you could say that there is something desirable about it so we should aim towards it.

In the communist future we will all speak Esperanto and only Esperanto!

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May 31 2007 23:13
MJ wrote:
daniel wrote:
daniel wrote:
Interracial marriage is in direct contradiction to multiculturalism.

Then what the fuck would a "multicultural family" be?

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Why you insist on talking about shit you don't understand is beyond me.

And why don't you fuck right off?

If multiculturalism is such a minority tendency in fascism the why has the fucking BNP embraced it wholesale - we're not talking about the blooming Aryan Brotherhood here. Read the articles, don't think fascism only exists in the United States, and if you don't have anything interesting to say - shut the fuck up. I mean wtf was that comment about seeing as I've never read a book on race I should shut my gob? Academic cock. What, and I can only have an opinion on capitalism is I've read Das Kapital?

Red Action (what wrote them articles) has done a fuck lot more to destroy fascism then you my friend or NEFAC or the American anarchist scene in general. I think they might know what they're talking about, don't you?

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May 31 2007 23:41
daniel wrote:
MJ wrote:
daniel wrote:
daniel wrote:
Interracial marriage is in direct contradiction to multiculturalism.

Then what the fuck would a "multicultural family" be?

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Why you insist on talking about shit you don't understand is beyond me.

And why don't you fuck right off?

If multiculturalism is such a minority tendency in fascism the why has the fucking BNP embraced it wholesale - we're not talking about the blooming Aryan Brotherhood here. Read the articles, don't think fascism only exists in the United States, and if you don't have anything interesting to say - shut the fuck up. I mean wtf was that comment about seeing as I've never read a book on race I should shut my gob? Academic cock. What, and I can only have an opinion on capitalism is I've read Das Kapital?

Red Action (what wrote them articles) has done a fuck lot more to destroy fascism then you my friend or NEFAC or the American anarchist scene in general. I think they might know what they're talking about, don't you?

You're confusing me with MJ. smile

Can't say I've kept up on the BNP and their embrace of "multiculturalism". I'm sure they wouldn't support "multicultural families". I'm thinking we mean different things by the words. I don't think the NSDAP was really about "Socialism" or "Workers".

I don't expect someone who is critical of capitalism to even be able to read. However, since you can read, and you are critical... I'd kind of expect you to read something about it, though not Das Kapital. But whatever, don't study on anything on racism or multiculturalism and continue to spout all kinds of ignorance that is obvious to a lot of folks.

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May 31 2007 23:54

Errr Red Action are no angels.

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If multiculturalism is such a minority tendency in fascism the why has the fucking BNP embraced it wholesale
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None the less, the cloak of integration is being used to push aggressively what is really an assimilationist agenda. Fascists and racists swim in the pool of racism. How this manifests itself - concretely - is an onslaught on British Muslims, using the religion of Islam as a battering ram. Islam is promoted as uniquely evil, or uniquely backward. The most explicit example is the British National party, which issued thousands of anti-Muslim leaflets after the London bombings with a graphic illustration of the devastated No 30 bus. According to the BNP, multiculturalism was to blame. The BNP is feeding on the mainstream onslaught against the Muslim communities and multiculturalism.

Trevor Phillips is in danger of giving succour to racists, Lee Jasper, Wednesday October 12, 2005, The Guardian

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But up to then the BNP had been the only organisation of note to maintain consistently that the ‘multicultural society’ is quite literally a contradiction in terms. Mass third world immigration hasn’t created a multicultural society; it has created a society which encourages alien societies to exist within it and to be antagonistic towards it. And of course the party has been roundly condemned for its stance; haters, Nazis, thugs in suits, etc, the usual nonsense.

Now those same people who had in the past opposed the BNP’s critique of the multicultural idea were employing the very arguments the BNP had been using for years. We didn’t need to say, “We told you so.” They were saying it for us.

Then the furore calmed down, as it tends to do. Newspapers and television stations found other things to occupy their minds, and the illogic of multiculturalism was put to one side. But it didn’t go away. The seed had been sown; criticism of multiculturalism had been legitimised, and it was only by dint of its taboo status that the idea had lasted as long as it had. It was only a matter of time or of events before the subject was broached again. The multicultural fantasy had been shattered by reality.

[url=http://www.bnp .org.uk/columnists/joepr2.php?joeId=12]Paradigm shift: Multiculturalism isn’t working[/url], www.bnp .org.uk, 6th October 2005, Joe Priestley (Joe is a new political columnist and a welcome addition to the writing team of the BNP.)

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Multi-culturalism – the enemy of human diversity

We would abolish all targets and quotas for ethnic representation in all areas of employment, public and private.

We would abolish all government-sponsored ethnicity-specific professional bodies, housing associations, and other organisations.

We would abolish all departments, agencies, or other units of government whose sole and specific purpose is to deal with ethnic issues, grievances, or crimes. Such organisations deliberately seek out the maximum quantity of "racism" in order to justify their own existence and expand their power and budgets. The law is the law and must be enforced equally upon all without being politicised over ethnic differences.

We would abolish all laws against racial discrimination in employment and the government bodies associated with enforcing them.

Except for purposes of teaching foreign languages to native speakers of English, the only languages permitted in official documents, government business, and schools will be English, Scots, and Welsh. The use of other languages by ethnic minorities in their own homes, school and institutions will also be encouraged.

A Clause 28-style proscription against the promotion of racial integration in schools and the media would be introduced.

In order to make it clear that the “celebration of diversity” is something in which the native peoples of our islands can share, each of our traditional Saints Days would be made Public Holidays in the nations in question, with Trafalgar Day being an additional Public Holiday throughout the entire UK.

A massively-funded and permanent programme, using and doubling Britain's current foreign aid budget, will aim to reduce, by voluntary resettlement to their lands of ethnic origin, the proportion of ethnic minorities living in Britain, for as long as the majority of the electorate are willing to fund such expenditure.

While accepting the right of law-abiding minorities, in our country because they or their ancestors came here legally, to remain here and to enjoy the full protection of the law against any form of harassment or hostility, we will also seek to emphasise the importance of the prior status of the aboriginal people.

[url=http://www.bnp .org.uk/candidates2005/manifesto/manf4.htm]Abolishing Multiculturalism, Perserving Identity (Rebuilding British Democracy British National Party General Election Manifesto 2005)[/url]

The BNP might be adopting some language of aboriginal sovereignity and national liberation groups to their fascist agenda; but it's clear they are opposed to living in a multicultural society and want the British culture to have an important status, squashing all other languages and cultural expressions, and transfering any ethnic group not British out of the country.

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Stung!!!

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The law is the law and must be enforced equally upon all without being politicised over ethnic differences.

you realise that that's just liberalism, although it's obviously bollocks that the BNP would be liberals if they got in

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we will also seek to emphasise the importance of the prior status of the aboriginal people.

the point being this is straight out of leftist rhetoric about indigenous nationalism, which is part of the multiculturalist 'celebrate diversity' thing.

people saying an opposition to the ideology of multiculturalism are monoculturalists are like people who say anti-war = pro-saddam, it's lazy and wrong. multiculturalism is the ideology that the state should promote cultural differences based on ethnicity, monoculturalism is the ideology that the state should promote cultural homogeneity. culture is organic, and i don't think it should be an object of state policy, nor do i think culture can be used as a euphemism for race without some fairly racist assumptions. hey you know, maybe people will one day be judged not on the colour of their skin but on the content of their characters, it's a dream like ...

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Definitely multiculturalism is relativist! That's the point - "oh if Muslims women are forced by their culture to wear veils, well who are we to impose our standards on them??!!!" Interracial marriage is in direct contradiction to multiculturalism. Why has no one adressed the fact that fascists are adament multiculturalists (particulary nowadays)?

ahh, finally some fresh ideas! i´ve only read them in about three brazillion articles written by the hardcore-antigermans. c´mon daniel, what is this shit-stirring supposed to accomplish?
multiculturalism is mostly relativist shit, yes. but you will hardly be able to make people aware of the shortcomings of multiculturalism by telling them that their ideas are fascist. but it won´t only piss people off it´s also just plain wrong.
the assumption of people that are in favour of multiculturalism is that there are different cultures in the world, and that certain social pratiques are included in these cultures and can´t/shouldn´t be criticized by anyone outside of that culture. that´s not fascist, it´s just not anti-fascist.
afaik multiculturalism is almost always used to mean that people from different cultures can actually live together in one country, and in relationships as well.
fascists on the other hand like the idea of ethnopluralism, that wants to see people divided geographically by their supposed cultures.
while there are points of contact between multiculturalism and ethnopluralism that are worrying and need to be criticised, to simply claim that they are both the same is to advocate a perception of society in broad contradictions instead of an analysis. while this leads to positions somewhere between confrontational and paranoid regarding societies that people who see the world like this live in, when it comes to other parts of the world, that they have less knowledge about, it leads to assertions that are so straight out of lalaland they couldn´t be outdone by a grade school kid on sleep deprivation.
i guess my main point is criticism should be specific, not denunciatory (if that´s an english word)

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it seems there's a certain degree of talking at crossed purposes here. when i criticise multiculturalism, i hope it is obvious that i have no problem at all with living in a multiethnic society, indeed it certainly beats ethnic segregation of the enforced or voluntary varieties. in fact my criticisms of ethnic separation inform my rejection of multiculturalist ideology. this is similar to how anarchists can reject liberalism, without thinking detention without trial, summary executions and autocratic government are a good thing.

kenan malik's not bad on this ... *

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Multiculturalism as a lived experience enriches our lives. But multiculturalism as a political ideology has helped create a tribal Britain with no political or moral centre.
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Just as the extremism taskforce argues now, so the authorities argued then that unless black and Asian communities were given a political stake in the system, their frustration could threaten the stability of British cities. It was against this background that the policies of multiculturalism emerged ... At the heart of the strategy was a redefinition of racism. Racism now meant not simply the denial of equal rights but the denial of the right to be different ... Equality no longer meant treating everybody equally despite their racial, cultural, ethnic or religious differences but treating people differently because of them.
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By the early 80s Bradford too was facing militancy within Asian communities and unrest on the streets. In 1977 young Asians formed the Asian Youth Movement (AYM) to defend their civil rights. AYM activists did not distinguish themselves as Muslim, Hindu or Sikh; indeed many did not even see themselves as specifically Asian ... In response, Bradford council drew up equal opportunity statements, established race relations units and began funding Asian organisations. A 12-point race relations plan declared that every section of the ‘multiracial, multicultural city’ had ‘an equal right to maintain its own identity, culture, language, religion and customs’ ... Political struggles unite across ethnic or cultural divisions; cultural struggles inevitably fragment. As different groups began asserting their particular identities ever more fiercely, so the shift from the political to the cultural arena helped create a more tribal city.

imho multiculturalism is a state policy to reinforce the position of 'community leaders' and promote reified cultural differences in lieu of political struggles. as a brand of liberalism it seeks to deny the antagonisms fundamental to capitalist society with a united colours of benneton gloss, but succeeds only in displacing political/class antagonisms onto the racial terrain, thus preparing the ground for the BNP. multiculturalism is not fascist, but by equating culture with race and placing this equation at the centre of its politics, it's simply the other side of the same coin.

* note i don't at all like how malik talks of 'british values,' 'identifying with britain' etc, but there's no reason why universal values need be national, they could just as easily be the values of the international workers' movement for example so his arguments stand imho.

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Flint, when the BNP say they're against multiculturalism, they're using it as a 'respectable' code word. And quoting an article by Lee Jasper isn't going to really back you up - the article you posted is a right wing attack on Trevor Phillips for upholding anti-racist principles.

Yep. The point in me quoting the Guardian and the BNP was to dispel the inaccurate statement Daniel made about the BNP embracing multiculturalism. Any other comparisons between the BNP's proposed policies and Daniel's ideas, I imagine are purely coincidental.

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the kenan malik bit in bold above ("equality no longer meant treating everybody equally despite their racial, cultural, ethnic or religious differences but treating people differently because of them") is where multiculturalism meets contemporary fascism.

iirc malik made a documentary where he interviewed the head of ford uk's diversity program and nick griffin of the bnp, and noted the remarkable similarities in logic, arguments and assumptions.