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Split in the CNT exile community

Syndicalist mentioned on another thread:

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The year 1948 probably refers to the split in the CNT exile community

Was this the split over support or not for the armed resistance?

Was it much of a split? Any full groups leave over it? (The FIJL supported the resistance throughout didn't they?) What are the views of the CNT, FAI etc. retrospectively now?

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A split occured in the Spanish libertarian movment over a couple of issues. The key issue was support for an on-going alliance with the Spanish socialists and their UGT union. Another issue was whether or not to wage armed struggle inside Spain against Franco.

I believe the FIJL did not break with the MLE (Spanish Libertarian Movement) until the 1960s over the question of armed struggle.(http://www.spunk.org/texts/writers/meltzer/sp001591/app1.html)

As a complete aside and ramble, when I first started to get knowledgable about our movement, I was turned on to anti "Beaufort" CNT newspaper "Frente Libertario". Frente Libertario, was by Fernando Gómez Peláez from 1970 until 1977. Beaufort is where the CNT-in exile was located and were viewed by FL and others as representing a discredited perspective.

Anyway, it's been a while since I looked at stuff from this time period. I'm sure there are others with good memories out there who may want to share as well.

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The key issue was support for an on-going alliance with the Spanish socialists and their UGT union

Really, the point was the participation of the CNT or not in the Republican government in exile. The rupture was in the first Congress in exile (París, may 1945). The mayority sector was the one opposed to the participation.

The two tendencies were re-unificated in the Congress of Limoges (1960), but there were a new split, as Mitch said.

Cheers from Spain

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Manu Garcia wrote:
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The key issue was support for an on-going alliance with the Spanish socialists and their UGT union

Really, the point was the participation of the CNT or not in the Republican government in exile. The rupture was in the first Congress in exile (París, may 1945). The mayority sector was the one opposed to the participation.

Ah right - many thanks Manu!

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Jan 24 2007 02:14

yes, Manu is correct, that is more specific. For clairification, I was talking about the Workers Alliance that existed between the UGT an CNT in the government-in-exie.

How are things in Spain thesedays Manu? I see that the CNT-Mercadonna struggle still continues. We (WSA)got an email about CGT carbuilders fight as well.

What does the F.S.O. do thses days?

in solidarity,
mitch

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Jan 24 2007 16:48

Hi, Mitch

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How are things in Spain thesedays Manu? I see that the CNT-Mercadonna struggle still continues. We (WSA)got an email about CGT carbuilders fight as well.

The struggle of the Mercadona workers goes on, as well as the one of the archaeologists in Catalonia.

In the fight of the carbuilders (I think you refer to SEAT in Barcelona, it isn´t?) there are people from CGT and CNT too.

Last sunday was a demostration at Barcelona in support to those and other struggles, with more than 1000 workers with the slogan "against bosses terrorism", you can see that, with photos and videos, here: http://www.kaosenlared.net/noticia.php?id_noticia=29733

In the "Libcom brothers" forums of Spain are more comments about: http://www.alasbarricadas.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=23789

What is FSO?

Salud

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Jan 24 2007 17:02

FSO = Federacion Solidaridad Obrera

(a split from CGT)

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Jan 24 2007 17:35

what is the struggle at SEAT about? I saw a notice of this on the website of CGT de Catalunya but I have a hard time understanding Catalan. my best guess was that it was about layoffs.

t.

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Solidaridad Obrera (here in Spain we the anarchists know it as SO) now has a little conflict at the local autority of Alcorcón (a town near Madrid).

The conflict of SEAT is because 660 workers have been fired.

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Thanks Manu for the links. I sorta laughed seeing the picture of the CNT-AIT flag flying next to the CGT flags.

Keep us posted on events in Spain.

Salud y anarquia!

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Jan 25 2007 05:40

Manu,

In the "Vídeo de la manifestación. Kaos en la Red" You-tube video, are the comrades throwing firecrackers in front of the line of march? Is this common in Spain?
-m

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Jan 25 2007 09:48
syndicalist wrote:
Manu,

In the "Vídeo de la manifestación. Kaos en la Red" You-tube video, are the comrades throwing firecrackers in front of the line of march? Is this common in Spain?
-m

Pretty common alot of places. Flares are also in for the winter of 06/07.

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Jan 25 2007 09:58
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yes despite all the International level posturing the CNT and CGT grassroots manage not to stab each other to death.

is their beef that intense?

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Jan 25 2007 10:07

phew.

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Jan 25 2007 13:44

This was and is an evolving process. I'm sure Manu can speak much more authoritatively than I on this. In some places the local CNT-AIT and CGT's cooprate, in others not.

While I have no cause to defend some of the practices of the present IWA, there's historical reasons while the animousity has been strong. The current CGT was a split off from the CNT. The split was caused over the question of whether or not to participate in workplace committeees (or to have the flexibility to do so). The historic CNT siad no, the forerunners of the CGT said yes. Additionally, and probally more so, the forerunners of the CGT claimed the title of the CNT and this created undue hardfeelings and battles (let alone confusion among workers) for years. So with every hard fought split, you'll have hard feelings.

As time has worn on comrades on a local level move forward and cooperate on an issue-by-issue basis.

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Jan 25 2007 14:03

All the history is a tremendous mess. In 1979 Congress, held in Madrid, it was voted to abstain to present delegates to Shop Councils. Some didn't accept the result, and held another congress later in Valencia. They began to be named as CNT-Congreso de Valencia. Later on, in 1984 there was another congress about re-unification. Unfortunately CNT splat once again. A part of CNT joined CNT-Congreso Valencia. They were still CNT. In the last 80s there was all this horrible affair of the name "owner". The present CNT won.

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Jan 25 2007 16:48

The demostration of Barcelona was in support of the workers in conflict from various companies:

- Codex (Archaeology, CNT)
- Iberia (Airlines, CGT and a couple of unions more)
- Parcs i Jardins (Gardens, CGT)
- Mercadona (Supermarkets, CNT)
- SEAT (Carbuilding, CGT and CNT)
- La Vanguardia (Newspaper, CGT)
- Bocatta (Fast food, a worker fired abandoned by its "union", UGT)

So, there were people from that unions and from a few organisations more.

There is no permanent colaboration between CNT and CGT. That two unions have diferent strategies, diferent ways of making syndicalism. So, they follow diferent paths.

Salud

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Jan 25 2007 17:46

As Manu points out a number of other unions were cosponsors of the demonstration. If you follow the link he posted, one of the calls for the demo notes it was sponsored by CNT, CGT, COBAS, IAC, and several other unions. However, not the UGT or Workers Commissions. On the contrary, those unions are accused of "collaborating with the bosses". COBAS is the Sindicato de Comisiones de Base (Union of rank-and-file committees) -- an assemblyist left split from the Workers Commissions. The IAC is the Alternative Inter-union of Catalonia, a group of several independent unions, mainly in the public sector I think.

t.

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Manu Garcia wrote:
There is no permanent colaboration between CNT and CGT. That two unions have diferent strategies, diferent ways of making syndicalism. So, they follow diferent paths.

Thanks Manu.

Yes, it's always my understanding the whatever CNT and CGT collaboration there is hase been on an issue-by-issue basis. And mostly on the local level.

I think what "excites" overseas comrades is that the IWA/AIT has a "no contact" policy with the CGT (and others), yet the CNT-AIT itself doen't practice this. Personally, I think it's a silly policy and I think it's alright to have big differences with others and still cooperate when need be.

Anyway, keep us posted on the Spanish class struggle comrade!

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Jan 26 2007 02:58

http://www.iww.org/graphics/stamps/cnt1.jpg

http://www.iww.org/graphics/stamps/cnt2.jpg

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Jan 29 2007 23:11

Maybe the new IWA secretary can tell us if the standards applied against the FAU will be applied against the CNT?

Unless there was no individual contact between CNT members and the "reformists" on the marches or the planning of them, it was all done through the secretariat?

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What "secretariat"? Do you mean the IWA? No, that is not likely. I'd be willing to bet the recent demo in Barcelona, on Jan 27th, was arranged via contacts between people in the CNT and CGT locally in Barcelona. there would be no point to kicking it "upstairs" to the respective national committees, IWA or whatever. Contact is contact. both CNT and CGT had people fired at SEAT. The CGT for its part has support for the CNT Mercadona struggle on its website. the reason the CNT doesn't want IWA gruops in OTHER countries to contact the CGT is that they're afraid (some would say paranoid) about a parallel or competing international being organiized, and poaching groups from the IWA. but they're not afraid of themselves joining a parallel international obviously. so there is a double standard, and that is what mitch was alluding to.

t.

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Maybe the new IWA secretary can tell us if the standards applied against the FAU will be applied against the CNT?

Unless there was no individual contact between CNT members and the "reformists" on the marches or the planning of them, it was all done through the secretariat?

The militants of CNT, in our workplaces, have contact,when that is possible, with companions affiliate to other unions in order to fight for common objectives. The militants of CNT, of course, always fighting with their own strategies.

In international themes I would not like to enter. Pitiless, the most of the people working or interested in "international levels" haven´t an unionist activity in his/her workplace.

The house must be built from the foundations, not from the roof. Our first goal: be strong in our workplaces and in our towns and cities. Second, if we want, seek for a national coordination, then international.

Salud and internationalism (but, first of all, struggle in our workplaces and cities)

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Jan 31 2007 01:57

Gato,

I was being sarcastic.