A Three Stooges account of the failed effort to foment a transit system fare strike in San Francisco in 2005

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Kevin Keating
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Apr 30 2007 14:07

Unlike "OliverTwister," who apparently lives at home with his mommie, and thus has bucketloads of time to spend as a vexatious internet pest, I have a real life to live. This includes working 40 hours a week, so my evidence of what I've posted about G, the author of the Three Stooges version of the bungled fare strike effort, will be forthcoming, but not right at this moment.

Why would I condescend to attend a meeting with IWW dullard-leftists at it, anyway? I live in the early 21st century, not the early 20th century; any effort that tolerates the presence of you anarchronisms can't be taken seriously in the real world of today.

And why doesn't the character named "thugarchist" do something socially useful -- like, say, get dead drunk, go play on train tracks and get run over by a BN freight? He has nothing to say and says it poorly; he should mate and reproduce litle prolix writers with Comrade Mobuto.

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Apr 30 2007 15:28

Man you're really on a one man campaign to bring back the word "prolix," aren't you? It's a little weird taken alongside your crusade to stamp out anachronism.

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Apr 30 2007 15:34

actually i bum off my girlfriend.

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Apr 30 2007 15:53
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And why doesn't the character named "thugarchist" do something socially useful -- like, say, get dead drunk, go play on train tracks and get run over by a BN freight? He has nothing to say and says it poorly; he should mate and reproduce litle prolix writers with Comrade Mobuto.

Oh man, this is gonna get fun!

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Apr 30 2007 16:00

Yer mom's prolix!

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Apr 30 2007 16:12
Wiktionary wrote:
Adjective

prolix (comparative more prolix, superlative most prolix)

Positive
prolix

Comparative
more prolix

Superlative
most prolix

1. tediously lengthy.
2. tending to use large or obscure words, which few understand.

[edit] Synonyms

* long-winded
* verbose
* wordy

I think it's clear.

Writers who use the word "prolix", are prolix.

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Apr 30 2007 17:07
Kevin Keating wrote:

And why doesn't the character named "thugarchist" do something socially useful -- like, say, get dead drunk, go play on train tracks and get run over by a BN freight? He has nothing to say and says it poorly; he should mate and reproduce litle prolix writers with Comrade Mobuto.

You tell 'em big boy!

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Apr 30 2007 20:16

On The Eugenics of True Bay Area Communism: What Is To Be Done?
The problem faced by Bay Area radicals is that they are not Kevin Keating. There are no real communists or anarchists in the Bay Area, as our leader has pointed out with his briliiant non-prolix. Sadly this precludes sexual reproduction of future genetically constructed Communists in the Bay Area,once thought the last hope given the proven impossibility of Kevin’s efforts to impart class consciousness on stupid anarchists from outside their bubble through his one man (non-Leninist) vanguard. Some have suggested a coupling between non-Communist stock and Keating might still produce offspring that are socialists or neo-anarchists, who could then be imparted with class consciousness given their half Kevin side. The obvious solution, not yet feasible would be cloning an army of Kevins, although the problem of which Kevin Keating would retain absolute (non-Leninist) dictatorial control emerges.

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Apr 30 2007 20:53

There have been other such "colony collapses," or "dwindles," in past decades, experts say. But this one appears to be the most serious - in the number of abandoned hives, their coast-to-coast geography and their duration.

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Apr 30 2007 21:07

What would an army of Kevin Keating clones do first? Implement mandatory french cinema night!

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Apr 30 2007 22:27
thugarchist wrote:
What would an army of Kevin Keating clones do first? Implement mandatory french cinema night!

Wait, there's gotta be a few twenty-five cent words and some wheat paste in there somewhere because if goofball manifestos aren't being pasted up (and ignored) on bus kiosks throughout the city it ain't Kevin's revolution.

Comrades!
First The Mission, then the World!

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Apr 30 2007 23:28

Kevin Keating and Comrade Motopu , can I remind you both that posting up anyone's real name without their permission will get you banned. I've cleaned up as best you can. Final warning for both of you.

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May 1 2007 04:06

Oh, sorry bout that. I was not aware of the rule. My bad.
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May 1 2007 19:13

Comrade Mobuto:

One of the anarchists involved in the Muni fare strike effort of 2005 gave GH, the author of the prolix and dishonest "FARE STRIKE! 2005..." the password to the leaflets we were giving out to Muni transit system employees.

This e-mail address was angryworkers@yahoo.com

G.H. then changed the password to this e-mail account.

G.H. then used this address to spam the internal discussion list -- and, more importantly, he harassed a woman using this e-mail account as well.

Having spread lies about me in this, blaiming me for the typically unbalanced and creepy antics of the guy who pulls your strings, you must now post copies of the harassing e-mails -- not including the e-mail address of the woman victimized by GH in this, but definitely including the e-mail address that the harassing e-mails came from.

No more typing practice from you, Mobuto; post the harassing e-mails now.

And if you weasel out of this, it is a public acknowledgedment by you that you are a liar, and that you have no integrity or credibility.

Post the harassing e-mails now, immediately -- right now.

Oh yes, your "source" in this is an academic Marxist named Josh. I went out drinking with him a few times in San Francisco at the end of 2004, before he moved to NYC.

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May 1 2007 19:57

I can't imagine why no one takes the libertarian left seriously...

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May 1 2007 20:35

Examine the track record of individuals like the author of "FARE STRIKE! 2005 First-Hand Accounts..." -- as I have been forced to for 14 years now -- and you won't need to adopt an ironic pose about it.

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May 1 2007 20:37
Kevin Keating wrote:
Examine the track record of individuals like the author of "FARE STRIKE! 2005 First-Hand Accounts..." -- as I have been forced to for 14 years now -- and you won't need to adopt an ironic pose about it.

Did they ring your doorbell and run away too?

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May 1 2007 21:10

Well nobody should use... I'm speculating here... sexually threatening behavior to any end. But have you seriously given up trying to criticize the actual analysis in favor of publicly denouncing one of its authors for something unrelated?

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May 1 2007 21:14
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Well nobody should use... I'm speculating here... sexually threatening behavior to any end.

This is how everything devolves. Maybe someone did something, maybe they didn't. Who knows? But when its easier to denounce someone rather than actually critique them then there's something wrong with the person denouncing's politics.

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May 1 2007 21:44

This individuals antics aren't seperable from a re-writing of the events in the SF fare strike debacle. Deceitfulness is a constant with this guy.

E-mail me at;

proletaire@yahoo.com

and I will say more -- but not under this context on this forum.

And I am still waiting for the never-hesitant to write at great length and wild inaccuracy Comrade Mobuto to post the harassment e-mails.

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May 1 2007 21:49
Kevin Keating wrote:
This individuals antics aren't seperable from a re-writing of the events in the SF fare strike debacle. Deceitfulness is a constant with this guy.

E-mail me at;

proletaire@yahoo.com

and I will say more -- but not under this context on this forum.

And I am still waiting for the never-hesitant to write at great length and wild inaccuracy Comrade Mobuto to post the harassment e-mails.

You're fanatical. Some folks wrote a piece on the fair strike, you wrote a rebuttal. This is not a scandal in the making.

Now before you dig out my dirty secrets to denounce me... in fifth grade I skipped school many times and lied about it to my mom. Clearly this cannot be seperated from my politics.

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May 1 2007 22:29

You haven't harassed a woman over the internet from an e-mail address on leaflets given out during a class struggle agit-prop effort -- or have you?

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May 1 2007 22:34
Kevin Keating wrote:
You haven't harassed a woman over the internet from an e-mail address on leaflets given out during a class struggle agit-prop effort -- or have you?

Haha. well played.

Or have you? dun dun dunnnnnnnn...

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May 2 2007 00:17

This really has devolved. Kevin has clearly lost in his effort to paint us as leftists or leninist dupes, because those charges have remained, and will always remain, unsubstantiated and false.

Kevin was incapable of merging theory and action in the Fare Strike and if people learn nothing else about him, they should know that. Ideologues present canned arguments that might have truth, but they fail to honestly look at the current reality and show connections between theory and the reality on the ground. So yes, Leninist authoritarianism and reformist leftism are bad, but what the hell does that have to do with the anarchists and communists working to carry out the Fare Strike/Social Strike?

When people attempt to engage Kevin and explain what we did, how we did it, and the timelines and context, he never ever acknowledges anything we say, he just resorts to his dismissive Don Rickles Schtick. He fires off a shotgun spray of wild accusations about supposed burnt motorcycles, non-existent women named "Geraldine" (I remember Flip Wilson too Kevin very cute), and supposed Leninist shadow organizations at the heart of Fare Strike. Kevin, you sir are paranoid and not a reliable source.

There were people who were literally harassed out of the early group. Their names were Lamia and Ehssan. That was your doing Kevin. They were probably the first to openly state they could not work with a wanker like you. Eventually everyone split, stating openly at our meetings that they needed to be away from you to get stuff done. But no one has come forward and said they were harassed by anyone else. Just by you.

Kevin, please produce one single person to back your lies up, or just stop. Now your only arguments left are the personal attacks, in other words the stuff that made up most of your numerous essays.

Thank you for admitting that there was a source for the information on the restraining order taken out against you. I waited over a year and a half to mention it, but you kept telling lies about us so I thought someone needed to point out that it really is you who is the creep here, as the exodus from your very presence in the Bay Area tends to back up.

I don't have or know about any threatening emails you mention. What I do have are your hundreds of insulting emails to people on the net, and the unsubtantiated lies you've told, all on record at just about any forum you've ever posted on. You call me a faggot, and say I'm pro-wage labor, and the follower of Leninist leaders, but I think my responses have shown you're nuts.

I've always said that I'm glad that your numerous serialized accounts/attacks are available alongside our slim single volume on the actual strike. I know that readers are intelligent enough to compare and contrast our writings to yours and decide for themselves what to take from both sources. I'm fine with that.

While I'm not ok with your hysterics, ultimately you must know by now you're only hurting your own credibility as a source of analysis.
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May 2 2007 00:30

You two should get married.

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May 2 2007 01:00

I understand why you would say that, but once Kevin targets you it's hard to shake him and then you become associated with him because he doesn't stop. For a while, his writing on the strike was the main source on the net. A friend ran into people in Portland who said "we heard the Fare Strike was all Leninists." Similar comments at the BASTARD conference as I've said. Until we put out a collection of accounts, some people were taking his writing as pure fact.

It comes down to a sort of informational battle for hegemony, which is why I started up with responding to his charges against us. We had before, but it was always in the discussion areas of his essays on forums. Now that we put out a pamphlet, we've negated the worst lies for the most part, but he has not stopped with the worldwide campaign to spread distortions about the Fare Strike.

If there are people who find his version accurate after at least considering our collection, that's fine with me. I do however feel the need to respond to his charges. I'm sorry if it's boring. I'm also open to suggestions on how to deal with the situation if people think I'm being unfair to those reading any of this.

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http://farestrike.org/

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May 2 2007 01:54

Nobody remembers who Kevin Keating was so who cares?

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May 2 2007 02:39

I stand by what I wrote in my article about the failed transit fare strike effort in San Francisco in 2005 -- and I have no intention of re-typing it in a different format for the erudition of an easily-played verbose dupe like Comrade Mobuto. Any relevant points in his wearying screeds have already been dealt with in my article.

The main guy of their group, who acted in a tellingly proprietary manner about their content-poor, ignore-the-Muni-drivers, unpersuasive, unmemorable leaflet, and who was always quoted as the spokeperson for their group int he SF Examiner, was a Leninist-Stalinist named Marc Norton. Norton is a former apparatchik of an outfit called 'Line of March.' He wrote their leaflets beacuse the other stumblebums have a long track record of being unable to do so; maybe they actually are all closet-primitivists applying the extraterrestrial critique of language articulated by John Zerzan in this.

The anarchists involved in the 2005 San Francisco Muni effort were a bunch of poddles. This is consistent with what I've seen about what gets called anarchism in the US in the 25-plus years I wasted repeatedly attempting to take self-styled anarchists at face value.

What get called anarchists in this part of the world, the ones who ever can be bothered to come out of the comfort and safety of their ideological hothouse, are frantic left-liberal protest ghetto people. Only, no one can get a buzz off calling themselves "frantic left-liberal protest ghetto people." "Anarchist" has more of a frisson of danger and excitement, and it scares their parents, too -- especially in an aggressively de-politicized culture like the US. So, these days, frantic unwashed liberals who can get played like kazoos by other supine petition-bearers often call themselves anarchists

You don't have copies of the harassment e-mails, huh? Ask the author of "FARE STRIKE! 2005..." He'll have them, alright. And an -emailed copy of any resitraining order that resulted from his authorial efforts.

Esshan and Lamia had a heavy duty jam with Federal immigration pigs, and that was why they left; that's my understanding at least.

"Once Kevin targets you its hard to shake him..." Comrade Mobuto, shame on you -- lay off the airplane glue! Go over any post of my article about he fare strike debacle, or any post of my brief riposte to the prolix-leftist version of events, and see Comrade Mobuto's veritable niagra of typing practice at work.

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May 2 2007 03:22

The new, improved version of my article about this, with some of the leaflets, stickers, etc, can be found at:

http://www.infoshop.org/myep/muni_social_strikeout.html

I owe a debt of thanks to an excellent anarchist comrade, ChuckO of the Mid-Atlantic Anarchist Infoshop for helping to get this together.

I should point out, too, that it would have been better to call an authentic, openly anti-capitalist effort of this sort "Refuse to Pay." A name like "Muni Social Strike" has too much of a mountain-must-come-to-Mohammed quality.

"Refuse to Pay" speaks in common, everyday language to the immediate and wholly appealing quality of what something like this could become. Under the right combination of circumstances an effort of this sort can really take off in the future, especially if it is initiated and pursued by for real, decisive, up-front enemies of capital, and not fumbled by anarchist poodles and leftist stumblebums. "Refuse to Pay" speaks as well as to the embryonic communist content of such an action; asserting use-value against exchange value.

Kevin Keating

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May 2 2007 03:59
Kevin Keating wrote:
Ask the author of "FARE STRIKE! 2005..."

Go over any post of my article about he fare strike debacle, or any post of my brief riposte to the prolix-leftist version of events, and see Comrade Mobuto's veritable niagra of typing practice at work.

First, to verify things, I went to the FARE STRIKE! San Francisco 2005: First-Hand Accounts text here on libcom (http://libcom.org/library/fare-strike-san-francisco-2005). Kevin alleges it has one author, in other places he claims it has 9 authors. So, here's what the text itself says:

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ACCOUNT 1 : GH

ACCOUNT 2 : Joshua Alperin

ACCOUNT 3 : Lin

ACCOUNT 4 : Lee

ACCOUNT 5 : Sally A. Frye

ACCOUNT 6 : JZ

ACCOUNT 7 : Gerry Jamin

ACCOUNT 8 : Dave Carr

ACCOUNT 9 : Tom Wetzel

ACCOUNT 10 : Social Strike Website Post [anonymous]

That looks a lot like ten people wrote the text. So who's telling the truth?

Then I searched around the 'net and the announcement for the FARE STRIKE! pamphlet mentioned this:

Quote:
FARE STRIKE! was introduced at the recent 12th annual San Francisco Anarchist Bookfair. IDP members gave a participatory presentation, under the workshop heading “Contemporary Anti-Capitalist Struggles: The 2005 San Francisco Transit Fare Strike,” at the BASTARD anarchist conference in Berkeley on March 18th of this year. The workshop was attended by a member of Chicago’s “Midwest Unrest” who had been part of organizing a successful fare strike in 2004, participants in the 2005 Vancouver Fare Strike, and roughly 40 others. A lively discussion indicated the level of interest in and excitement about driver/rider social strikes on transit, the successes and failures of these actions, and their implications and usefulness in future class struggle.

So that means someone from Chicago and others from Vancouver met with some of the San Francisco fare strike participants and compared experiences during the BASTARD conference. It says 40 people attended.

So Kevin, why didn't you go to the BASTARD conference to show everyone how wrong they are in person?

And I read all 10 accounts and they're great because they speak from the experience of those involved. Some talk of the organizing before the strike and then most give examples of keeping the strike going by refusing to pay and encouraging others to do the same. Your account seems to mostly be about all the people and groups in San Francisco you have contempt for -- which seems to be just about everyone.

If you check out Haskell Wexler's documentary about the Los Angeles Bus Riders Union, you'll see that the strength of what they did in LA was similar -- having people organize riders on the buses. Not telling them with flyers or posters or internet messages about fare striking, but literally leading by doing. And save your breath Keating, I know as well that the LA Bus Riders Union is led by a cadre that are some kind of Trots, Stalinists or Maoists or whatever. My point is that they have street creds with the drivers and riders on LA's MTA.

It's indicative that Keating is announcing the grand premiere of "Failed Fare Strike" version 37.0 on Chuck0's Infoshop. That's obviously where it belongs, no argument here.