About Dave in Atlanta: as a member of the IWW, he's no doubt proficient at staying out of involvement with anything relevant to life on Earth since about 1920.
What do these nostalgia-geeks do, anyway, other than enage in a clownish ongoing leftist role playing game, more akin to Dungeons and Dragons than to anything the real IWW was all about?
About Dave in Atlanta: as a member of the IWW, he's no doubt proficient at staying out of involvement with anything relevant to life on Earth since about 1920.
What do these nostalgia-geeks do, anyway, other than enage in a clownish ongoing leftist role playing game, more akin to Dungeons and Dragons than to anything the real IWW was all about?
From another thread:
Tsiatko: "...Now, if in 2007, if our history is one which glorifies past mistakes and confuses them with the successes, then aren't we ensuring a continuing pattern of failure of the IWW?..."
Aren't we ensuring a continuing pattern of failure for the IWW -- Duhhhhh! How about, your group is a nostalgia trip, its historical period ended the better part of a century ago, and you people playing a leftist/anarchist version of 'Dungeons and Dragons' are a bad joke -- and the joke is all on you.
Well you're clearly nuts and I'm sure the admins will ban you, so I don't need to say anything.
However I'll point out that Dave has not been an IWW member for some time, so you should keep up-to-date on your sources better. His real life activity is also more relevant to workers than your internet slander campaigns could ever be.
Olivertwister can't, of course, actually say what this supposed activity of David the nostalgia-guy is, can he?
Organizing all the horse-drawn cabriolet drivers and gas-lamplighters into Ye Olde IWW.
What have any of you petulant bad-writers ever been involved in, anyway?
Olivertwister can't, of course, actually say what this supposed activity of David the nostalgia-guy is, can he?
Organizing all the horse-drawn cabriolet drivers and gas-lamplighters into Ye Olde IWW.What have any of you petulant bad-writers ever been involved in, anyway?
It's unnecessary.
Even if his entire political activity consisted of jacking off while watching battle of seattle footage, it would be more relevant than your online diatribes.
nb. as far as I'm aware, dave doesn't actually do that.
Well you're clearly nuts and I'm sure the admins will ban you, so I don't need to say anything.
Based on the three-way insults being thrown around, I don't see how we can ban any of the people on this thread yet. Going to leave for now at least but it's a shame the wildcat discussion's been disrupted - it's just before my time and I'd like to know more about them as a group.
What I do know is we've got a few bits of Kevin Keating's stuff in the library at http://libcom.org/tags/kevin-keating and although I've not read it, bits look pretty interesting at a glance, and not the work of a random internet slanderer.
One poster's pmed me with a bit of background, more welcome from all sides.
OliverTwist: "It's unnecessary..." to say anything about the activity of your fellow all-nostalgia, all-the-time-guy in the class struggle.
How 'bout, its impossible, because, like with 99% of IWW members I've encountered, I suspect it doesn't exist.
Whatever. I'm out of this discussion. I have no doubt that KK will get himself banned soon enough.
Funny how whenever you demand that the past has never looked brighter crowd say what they've actually done in social struggles of the contemporary wage-earning class, they take a powder.
I still have to get to the certain-special-someone in PDX comedy hour...
Those who know me know my record as a trade unionist and activist in working class anti-racist and anti-militarist organizing, and yeah, former wob. KK I don't care about.
David's a decent humanbeing and a comrade. I've never known David to poke his finger in someone's eye as seems to be vouge on most of these discussions.
Perhaps it's just best if folks stick to issues of substance.
admin - one more post along these lines and you're banned
To Sam Diego:
I think Kevin is a liar and an egomaniac, but there is no reason to make a lame joke out of his loss of a loved one. I don't care if he calls me a hippy for saying it.
Hoooly shit, how did I miss this entire thread? :embarassed:
Anyway, I wanted to ask about this:
Against the workerist lefties who claim that workers only have power at the point of production we would say that it is territorially based struggles which have the greatest subversive potential.
Where in the Wildcat timeline did this fall, and what were people like Devrim doing in the group's orbit if this was their line?
Against the workerist lefties who claim that workers only have power at the point of production we would say that it is territorially based struggles which have the greatest subversive potential.
I think certainly after I had connections with them. Even the anarcho-syndicalists describe me as a workerist.
Devrim
There is no time for hopelessness. Here are some ideas for what we can do – now – to fight back against the attacks we know are coming.
An article by Situationist group Pointblank! written in October 1973 about the coup in Chile which deposed elected left-wing leader Salvador Allende.
Lucy E. Parsons was a leading figure in American socialism, anarchism and the radical labor movement.
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Tsaitko,
This thread began being about the London UK group called Wildcat:
1. Which the people I was doing stuff with 15 years ago and i almost formed a common group with, and,
2. Which you yourself joined.
So any exchanges here pertaining to the relevance or lack of relevance of you and your efforts and the credibility of your opinions are of direct relevance here.
Even a guy like you might possibly be able to grasp this.
I am at work right now and i have a limited amount of time I can devote to this -- but in another post, if only for laughs, I'll deal with:
1 Your 'French turn' into the IWW in 1984, as the putative successor to Stephen Schwartz's 'FOCUS/The Alarm' hustle;
2. The ridiculous hippie-anarchist 'conference' in a car-camping site at an Oregon lake in 1998; and
3. How any one of the more substantive pieces on my 'Love and Treason' web page, and my real efforts in the contemporary world outweigh in substances all of your inane, paralytically incapable hippie gibberish.
What about the coyote-thing, buddy? Tell everybody about that...