'Brexit' and the Irish border

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Maclane Horton
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Sep 13 2019 09:23

After months of stasis there is a bit of activity. First off sources in the DUP have hinted that they are willing to move their brexit red lines. Where the red lines are moving to nobody knows, but we can be sure it’s something devious and probably involves money.

Then, second off, apparently unconnected, Boris has proposed an Ireland Scotland bridge as a solution to the backstop. Again nobody knows how that solution is supposed to work.

Maybe they’re going to paint two red lines half way across the bridge and set up set up their border posts there instead of the ones in the middle of the Irish Sea that everyone was so much objecting to.

Of course, when Scotland becomes independent and returns to EU membership the Boris Bridge border will no longer be necessary. Will that be problem solved?

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Sep 13 2019 19:39
Maclane Horton wrote:
After months of stasis there is a bit of activity. First off sources in the DUP have hinted that they are willing to move their brexit red lines. Where the red lines are moving to nobody knows, but we can be sure it’s something devious and probably involves money.

Johnson has been blocked from acting unilaterally and the DUP cannot deliver a majority, so their negotiating position has been very seriously weakened.

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Then, second off, apparently unconnected, Boris has proposed an Ireland Scotland bridge as a solution to the backstop. Again nobody knows how that solution is supposed to work.

No one seriously believes that Johnson ha any intention of doing this least of all Johnson

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Of course, when Scotland becomes independent and returns to EU membership the Boris Bridge border will no longer be necessary. Will that be problem solved?

Interesting to see which will happen first, Scottish referendum for independence or Irish referendum for unification. I would bet on Scotland personally.

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Oct 3 2019 11:00

There is an interesting comment from alb, borrowing from the 'Times' newspaper, on which capitalists and why they are supporting Brexit when most of the main UK and Irish capitalists are against it in his post #190742 here;
https://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/forum/topic/more-on-brexit/page/23/

Spikymike
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Oct 14 2019 10:17

This useful Left-communist summary posted late Sept along the lines of 'How did we get in this mess then' here;
http://www.international-communist-party.org/English/TheCPart/TCP_015.ht...

redredred
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Oct 15 2019 04:05

the International Communist Party is a joke. I feel that their "analysis" on this is pretty basic as well

Spikymike
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Oct 15 2019 14:21

I'm not a supporter of this ICP but their analysis in this case if basic is not essentially wrong and better than some.

Spikymike
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Mar 1 2020 15:43

Another short contribution from alb on the recent elections, Sinn Fein and Worker Co-ops here:
https://worldsocialism.org/spgb/socialist-standard/2020/2020s/no-1387-ma...

Spikymike
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Mar 13 2021 14:35

And as if 'Brexit' would ever go away there is this short punchy piece from the ICT/CWO here:
http://www.leftcom.org/en/articles/2021-03-12/the-nationalist-poison-beh...

Spikymike
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Jul 7 2021 09:23

A longer article here from the ICT/CWO examining the background to the seeming disjuncture between the Brexit result and the interests of the dominant faction of UK based capital and what this might mean for the UK in terms of future alliances with the main capitalist blocks of the USA, Europe and China and the impact on class struggle in the UK:
http://www.leftcom.org/en/articles/2021-04-22/brexit-the-ruling-class-sh...

Spikymike
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Jul 7 2021 09:32

So this article from the spgb provides a good historical update on the evolving divisions and arguments around the Irish border in the context of the latest Brexit outcomes (maybe more useful to new non-UK posters to libcom):
https://worldsocialism.org/spgb/socialist-standard/2020s/2021/no-1403-ju...
Personally I suspect that the current Tory Party faction in power are happy to see (have even planned) the failure of the protocol and will abandon the north to it's own devises?

Spikymike
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Sep 7 2021 14:47

And here another useful (to non UK posters) summary of the most recent 'non-evolution' of the political divide between Unionist and republican parties with hints of some small openings in working class struggle across the border:
https://libcom.org/blog/workers-northern-ireland-04092021

freemind
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Sep 8 2021 11:00

The reason the British State is in Ireland is NATO.The strategic position is paramount and a juxtaposition against 26 County Neutrality.

Spikymike
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Oct 10 2021 14:25

And there is this indirectly related 'post Brexit' discussion:
https://worldsocialism.org/spgb/forum/topic/boris-promises-a-high-wage-e...