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WSM and Animal Rights?

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Dec 8 2006 15:08

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JDMF, why are you using all this economic logic to justify veganism? Even if what gurrier said was true, you'd still believe that killing stuff is wrong due to your religious convictions.

The contemporary Anarchist movement’s wet moral positioning on exploitation, suffering and evil, this idea of defending innocent victims against wicked bullies, accounts for its ideological weakness and its continuing marginalised status.

In a way, I suppose, the working class owes the pro-animal lobby a favour for crippling the Anarchist movement and thus preventing its reactionary twaddle from finding too much influence.

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Dec 8 2006 16:28

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True enough. It's not the moralising in itself, but the specific reactionary notion that the sanctity of life represents a viable manifesto position or programmatic component.

The idea that political endeavour is about defending the innocent or protecting the weak is a load of liberal petit-bourgeois lameness.

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Dec 8 2006 17:15

No. Vegetarianism (or some variance of it) is in our own enlightened self-interest.

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Dec 8 2006 17:39

That's why I said some variance. Personally I'm vegetarian. I suspect that attitudes to animals reflect themselves in attitudes to people. Factory farming creates a sense of generalised cruelty being acceptable. Supermarkets remove the consumer from the reality of what they eat.
If you want to eat it, then kill it.

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Dec 8 2006 17:51

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Factory farming creates a sense of generalised cruelty being acceptable.

Not as much as "Eastenders" does. Generalised cruelty is acceptable anyway. Taking power away from the bourgeoisie is cruel, at least as far as they're concerned.

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Dec 8 2006 20:06
knightrose wrote:
If you want to eat it, then kill it.

thats one way of overcoming alienated food production, granted ...

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Dec 9 2006 00:25
tojiah wrote:
Yes, I'm still following the thread. I understand that you disapprove of my comment. Care to elaborate?

Do you even know what a quadriplegic is?

If so, what could possibly make you think it's acceptable to imply that people with a particular physical disability cannot meaningfully participate in human society? Because that's what you're doing by saying they won't be involved in setting up any post-revolutionary society.

Re-edit: Actually, that last bit was a bit ranty. Fuck it, I'm off to bed.

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Dec 10 2006 07:34
madashell wrote:
... what could possibly make you think it's acceptable to imply that people with a particular physical disability cannot meaningfully participate in human society? Because that's what you're doing by saying they won't be involved in setting up any post-revolutionary society.

I refer you to what I actually wrote:

tojiah wrote:
No, they1 won't be setting up a new society ... but neither will quadriplegics.

No, I don't see how quadriplegics can set up any post-revolutionary society, on their own. Maybe I should have been clearer about that last point, but I thought it was obvious. Naturally, they can participate in such a society, even to the point of being prominent figures there. Moreover, they will have to participate in such a society, lest they be unable to sustain themselves. It is in that last sense that I compare them to animals.

  • 1. i.e., animals