Smash Capitalism - buy Amazon

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Dec 7 2006 16:48

It’s a very easy distinction to make. If you can’t do without the money you aren’t independent. If you can, you are. Slopes, slippery or otherwise, don’t come into it.

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Dec 7 2006 17:01

Hence, as I said earlier, calculating what levels of support are needed for a basic service, and then adding on such things as a bonus.

The idea is to stick such funds into either a specific item you'd like but can't have (eg. getting a scanner or a high-speed computer for the collective) or a general account which canbe used as backup in case of emergency. It's really not that difficult to keep ongoing funding seperate from individual inputs, just set up a seperate fill and forget bank account if you're that bothered.

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Dec 7 2006 17:28
revol68 wrote:
And i'm being entertained because I've a feeling some peeps on the collective share my misgivings (ain't that right catch wink)

No, it's not. Now the block has been dissected by 160 posts I'm not sure about the title, and I'd switch the order of frontline and amazon, but it's been up for 10 days and will come down at the end of this week I think, so who gives a fuck? I'm completely in favour of us having the Amazon link available on the donate page for as long as it works.

That doesn't mean we won't look into alternative possibilities (like Frontline and another place we're in discussion with very close to Saii's heart), and push them, but anywhere else we sort out isn't going to sell mp3 players, Friends box sets or other crap that people buy occasionally from Amazon anyway. I'll probably buy a couple of christmas presents via it myself and I'd much prefer 5% went into libcom's pockets than into Amazon's.

I'll say again, it's taken nearly a year to sort out this system with Frontline, and it will have been even longer for the other thing we're planning. Frontline has just set this up on their site, and as far as I know is the only radical bookshop that has anything like it in the country - not sure but it might even have been set up due to our initial discussions with them.

What I'm not keen on is advertising proper - whether google ads or big banners. A link that takes approximately 2% of the page space is a fuck of a load better than some massive banner up top, or really annoying and intrusive fundraising drives (url=http://infoshop.org/]like this one[/url] which actually disrupt people's usage of the site (and half their news page is currently taken up with it as well). But if we could do ad space without it being annoying I wouldn't be completely against it either, and yes actual banner ads would have to be for something pretty decent.

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Dec 7 2006 17:36
revol68 wrote:
oh aye cos shit works like that in the real world, and further more if it's as simple as that why restrict it to just Amazon? Why not Boots, Game or HMV?

Revol, if we could set up links for a load of shitty retailers which diverted 5% of their revenue on each sale into our coffers, then we would. We might not stick a link to them on every page, but I reckon I've spent about £1000 on ebuyer in the past three years (one computer blew up, buying stuff for my brother and Dad etc.) and a handy affiliates link could have turned £50 of that into hosting costs.

I don't think people who use this site are stupid and are going to fall for Amazon's evil plans like you alluded you nearly did, they'll simply use it instead of going direct if they remember, when they're going to do it anyway. Certainly I hardly ever buy stuff from Amazon, and when I have recently I've forgotten to use the fucking link roll eyes

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Dec 7 2006 17:47
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It's not a matter of alling for anything, it's matter of them setting a trap that works exactly through rationalism.

Say there are two graphics card that are the same price at Amazon and Ebuyer (i don't buy gfx cards from Amazon btw)

Nor do I, more expensive than ebuyer usually as you well know.

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Dec 7 2006 17:59
revol68 wrote:
oh and if you want to extend the link scheme

well eventually it'd be good to have a frontline-ish deal with shops/publishers in the US/Aus/NZ yeah. Don't think we'd rule out amazon if that isn't possible though. I even thought we should work out a special amazon.co.jp link just for sphinx wink

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and even have banner adverts go for it

confused after I said how much I don't like them? Something the a right-bar ad for the bookfair might be alright for a couple of weeks, but banner ads generally fuck layout.