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LeonardfromLeom...
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Dec 20 2004 15:27
Sikh Protests Force cancellation of Play

I wondered what people in the Midlands thought of this issue?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/4112105.stm

Yrwenot3?
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Dec 24 2004 11:36

Got this the other day from Brum's South Asian Alliance. Might provoke some kinda interchange hopefully

SOUTH ASIAN ALLIANCE CONDEMNS CANCELLATION OF 'BEHZTI'

The recent cancellation of Gurpreet Bhatti's play

Behzti (Dishonour) as a result of threats and violence

towards the playwright and the theatre was a severe

blow against the right of freedom of speech.

The South Asian Alliance is a secular organisation

made up of individuals from Hindu, Muslim and Sikh

backgrounds. We defend the right of people to practice

their faith, we also acknowledge that there is a long

standing tradition in South Asia of publicly

criticising and ridiculing corrupt institutions and

individuals. Much of this criticism has come from

poets and writers at the risk of their lives.

It is a fundamental right that people should be able

to protest against something they disagree with but

equally worth defending is the right of artists to

create work without fear of being verbally threatened

or physically attacked.

The times we live in can only benefit from honest open

criticism and debate. This can only take place if we

firmly commit ourselves to the principle of defending

the right of someone to speak even if we disagree with

them.

South Asian Alliance - Birmingham

Lazlo_Woodbine
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Dec 24 2004 12:35

It's a strange situation -- to find myself opposing direct action. I suppose societies in turmoil often throw up direct acts by groups that are not nccessarily aimed at liberation.

Who are the south asian alliance? Good to see a different perspective to the clash of civilisations nonsense ('sikhs' versus non sikhs, etc).

WeTheYouth
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Dec 25 2004 20:53

Religous fucking assholes if you ask me.

Lazlo_Woodbine
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Dec 25 2004 22:58

lol, but yeah it does, because it implies people acting directly to deal with issues. The problem here is that I reckon this action was mediated through systems of religious and 'community' leadership that act against people's ability to deal directly with their problems.

Vaneigemappreci...
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Dec 29 2004 16:24

Krystal Nacht?

an example of direct action, not inheritantly liberating nor virtuous.

The thing is that the only way you can really comment on the situation is if you choose to go and watch the play! Great publicity!

Tom A
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Jan 4 2005 15:57
revol68 wrote:
anyway fuck the sikhs, muslims and christians im fed up with the left being soft on religious scum cos they aren't white.

So in your idea world, everyone will be forced to be atheist, like in Maoist China or Stalinist Russia? roll eyes

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Jan 4 2005 16:57

very true, organised chritianity is a nice and easy target and its remnants should be done away with, yet the left seems to be rather accepting of other religions simply because they are adopted by people who arent white, which seems to be a bizarre logic.

All religion is based upon the perpetuation of myth and the repudiation of humanity to some or other mystical figure, why tolerate any of it? But it must be said that many religous people are very benevolent and caring folk, but this has little to do with the fact that they go to church or a mosque

Tom A
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Jan 4 2005 17:18
revol68 wrote:
yeah cos opposing religious fuckwits censoring plays is just like the policy of the chinese state!

I am not saying that it was. It what your rant against people who wish to follow a chosen faith I was comparing to Maoist China and the like. Remeber, under Mao all pre-revolutionary art was subject to a vicious clampdown, and all books written prior to 1949 were burned.

Finally, what is wrong with allowing Sikhs to be Sikhs, or Christians to be Christians, or Muslims to be Muslims, as long as they don't go forcing their beliefs on other people? Supressing freedom of religion is not very progressive.

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Jan 4 2005 17:47

What makes people think the sikhs who organised this action were working class? That seems a rather general assumption.

This thread is pointless, unless you happen to have some analysis of the play, or some in depth knowlefdge of the internal politics of sikh communities, i don't have any knowledge of either.

So more interesti8ngly, does anyone know if the play is any good?

john

ps Anyone supporting the censoring of the play, or comparing this to china, is undoubtedly being a bit silly.

pps and then i saw thi, which is even more silly

Vaneigemappreciationclub wrote:
Krystal Nacht?

an example of direct action, not inheritantly liberating nor virtuous.

what the fuck are you talking about? Obviously krystal nacht was organised state violence not ''an example of direct action'' .

Tom A
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Jan 4 2005 18:51
cantdocartwheels wrote:

ps Anyone supporting the censoring of the play, or comparing this to china, is undoubtedly being a bit silly.

For the third time, I was not supporting the censorship of the play. Nor was I comparing the censorship of the play to China. I was comparing revol68's dumb anti-religious rant to the actions of the Chinese state under Mao (which still happen today, giving the recent clampdown on unauthorised Christian churches and the savage oppression of Fulan Gong).

Oh, and here is my two pence on the censorship of the play for any who are interested. IMO it sets a dangerous precedent for this to happen, and since a Sikh actually wrote this play which caused so much controversy among the Sikh community, I think there is some secret that people within Sikhism don't want the rest of the world to hear about (I empahise people within Sikhism, as opposed to the faith itself).

If there is any chance that the play is being preformed at a venue within 50 miles of where I live, I might possilbly go and see it for myself.