DONATE NOW TO HELP UPGRADE LIBCOM.ORG

Bin Laden praises Chomsky

41 posts / 0 new
Last post
Anonymous
Jan 29 2010 19:14
Bin Laden praises Chomsky

In an audio tape in which he blames the West for climate change Bin Laden "praises the political analysis of Noam Chomsky."

Quote:
"Noam Chomsky [the US academic and political commentator] was correct when he compared the US policies to those of the Mafia. They are the true terrorists and therefore we should refrain from dealing in the US dollar and should try to get rid of this currency as early as possible.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2010/01/20101277383676587.html

Noticed from google that this isn't the first time he's done it, in the past calling him one of the most capable of Americans. Weird.

Boris Badenov
Offline
Joined: 25-08-08
Jan 29 2010 19:31

Not weird at all. Bin Laden is simply trying to get in on that "antimperialist" thing that is so popular with leftist mentals everywhere.

s.nappalos
Offline
Joined: 29-01-10
Jan 29 2010 21:15

sadly... it works sometimes. Machiavelli was truly a red! sigh

appledoze
Offline
Joined: 9-08-09
Jan 30 2010 01:31

I swear it's like these people are deliberately trying to smear the entire left side of the fucking spectrum. Why the hell do Islamists try to associate themselves with the left anyways? A lot of people here in the US do that too. It's this general notion that anything left wing is evil.

Rob Ray's picture
Rob Ray
Offline
Joined: 6-11-03
Jan 30 2010 09:10

It's not exactly rocket science, Bin Laden's major role is as a rebel against US imperialism. Without the rhetoric of dispossession, he's mostly just a rich twit in a turban.

The Outlaw's picture
The Outlaw
Offline
Joined: 6-12-09
Jan 30 2010 13:27

Anything right wing is evil.

gypsy
Offline
Joined: 20-09-09
Jan 30 2010 13:46
Rob Ray wrote:
It's not exactly rocket science, Bin Laden's major role is as a rebel against US imperialism. Without the rhetoric of dispossession, he's mostly just a rich twit in a turban.

Is what he wears a turban?

Rob Ray's picture
Rob Ray
Offline
Joined: 6-11-03
Jan 30 2010 15:57

Yes, there's probably a specific name for it as well but it comes under that general heading.

Fletcher
Offline
Joined: 27-03-08
Feb 2 2010 15:04
The Outlaw wrote:
Anything right wing is evil.

Lets have a FUCKING MARCH AGAINST EVIL

The Outlaw's picture
The Outlaw
Offline
Joined: 6-12-09
Feb 2 2010 15:48

Capitalism is evil, so that would mean lets having a fucking march in favour of (good) ie Anarchism. (instead of just moaning about how the system is shit).

Choccy's picture
Choccy
Offline
Joined: 9-12-04
Feb 2 2010 18:19

You realise marching is a glorified version of moaning how shit the system is?

Rats's picture
Rats
Offline
Joined: 9-05-08
Feb 4 2010 02:38

Has anyone ever heard a trot speak wishfully about bin laden/al quada?
Or do they hate him because they kicked USSR out?

Entdinglichung's picture
Entdinglichung
Offline
Joined: 2-07-08
Feb 4 2010 17:11
Tommy Ascaso wrote:
In an audio tape in which he blames the West for climate change Bin Laden "praises the political analysis of Noam Chomsky."
Quote:
"Noam Chomsky [the US academic and political commentator] was correct when he compared the US policies to those of the Mafia. They are the true terrorists and therefore we should refrain from dealing in the US dollar and should try to get rid of this currency as early as possible.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2010/01/20101277383676587.html

Noticed from google that this isn't the first time he's done it, in the past calling him one of the most capable of Americans. Weird.

therefore, the CPGB critizises Chomsky: http://cpgb.org.uk/article.php?article_id=1002551

LeftResistance's picture
LeftResistance
Offline
Joined: 30-04-09
Feb 4 2010 22:07

Ha I know of a trot that keeps a picture of osama on his wall... however he's an artists and i think it's just to shock people.

lrnec
Offline
Joined: 29-10-07
Feb 4 2010 22:49

There is a fairly big Islamic left grouping, liberal islamist etc, even Islamists who've attempted to reconcile communist values with Islam.

Boris Badenov
Offline
Joined: 25-08-08
Feb 5 2010 00:14

doesn't Zizek also have something about the 'empancipatory potential' of Islam? And yet he's not too popular with 'anti-imperialist' Muslims.

lrnec
Offline
Joined: 29-10-07
Feb 5 2010 18:03

I've not read any of his stuff on it but thats a common line for a lot of pro-deomocracy/liberal/leftist/etc Muslims. Their basic argument is that Islam from its conception has democratic principals of consultation, Shura which depending on who your looking at is an example of liberal democratic/communist principals.

The essential thread in most of their arguments is that a full implementation of 'true' Sh'aria law would lead to a truly egalitarian state.

You can argue the case till your face is blue for either side of it and not really get anywhere. In practice Islamists defiantly have had a large part in fighting imperialism and colonialism, but infrequently enforcing egalitarian principals thats hard to dispute.

fidel gastro
Offline
Joined: 15-04-08
Feb 10 2010 12:08
Choccy wrote:
You realise marching is a glorified version of moaning how shit the system is?

Yes I have, one of my former comrades was vey fond of Bin Laden and is still behind Hezbollah, Hamas and Iran, he also thinks that the US got rid of Saddam Hussein because he was a Socialist.

fidel gastro
Offline
Joined: 15-04-08
Feb 10 2010 12:08

soz wrong quote, meant the trot al qaeda one.

Libertaria's picture
Libertaria
Offline
Joined: 7-05-08
Feb 10 2010 17:26
Dundee_United wrote:
You know the Jackal converted to Islam, as the Taleban were sticking it to the Imperialists.

As much as that is about as intellectual as farting the alphabet, it is also a position with which you can see a kinda Fanonist post-modern logic.

Other question. Say you're a Nepalese peasant. Would you be a Maoist?

To be clear here, I am not advocating a lack of analytical and political rigour. Just saying that I'd rather be an uncompromising tanky than a liberal. For all its faults, Stalinism is still superior to liberal capitalism for the average person (killing less people thru starvation and want, and allowing a higher standard of living. Don't believe me: name the best third world country in the world, and then consider what it was like 70 years ago.). Gimme Stalinism over gangsterism any day. A hobson's choice it may be, but it's still one with a clear "right" answer.

The Outlaw's picture
The Outlaw
Offline
Joined: 6-12-09
Feb 10 2010 18:07

How are the Taliban any different to the IRA?

Joseph Kay's picture
Joseph Kay
Offline
Joined: 14-03-06
Feb 10 2010 18:16

The taliban are an Islamist movement who formerly governed Afghanistan.

The IRA could be one of three armed groups in northern ireland, one disarmed the others marginalised and lacking any widespread public sympathy.

also to my knowledge the IRA haven't spawned an absurdist peep show joke.

The Outlaw's picture
The Outlaw
Offline
Joined: 6-12-09
Feb 10 2010 18:19

They're still doing the same thing - fighting an Imperialist invasion.

The Taliban don't have public sympathy either.

Joseph Kay's picture
Joseph Kay
Offline
Joined: 14-03-06
Feb 10 2010 18:22

Oh Mr Taliban, tally my bananas.

Khawaga's picture
Khawaga
Offline
Joined: 7-08-06
Feb 10 2010 19:14
THE OUTLAW wrote:
The Taliban don't have public sympathy either.

What public are you referring to? They certainly have supporters in the pushtun areas of Afghanistan and Pakistan. Prior to 1996 they were very popular almost all over Afghanistan. But I guess you're talking about the UK public.

Choccy's picture
Choccy
Offline
Joined: 9-12-04
Feb 10 2010 20:30
Tommy Ascaso wrote:
The Outlaw wrote:
How are the Taliban any different to the IRA?

They're not as hard:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kg-BRJpHnRQ&NR=1

I remember this, no way are the IRA as hard as the Taliban

Boris Badenov
Offline
Joined: 25-08-08
Feb 10 2010 21:21
Libertaria wrote:
Dundee United wrote:
Just saying that I'd rather be an uncompromising tanky than a liberal. For all its faults, Stalinism is still superior to liberal capitalism for the average person

Jesus mother of all fuck, what a stupid shitforbrains cunt this guy is! And to think that some people on this forum have had to apologize for being too blunt with him! Fuck sake.
THEOUTLAW is sound as fuck by comparison.

THEOUTLAW wrote:
They're still doing the same thing - fighting an Imperialist invasion.

Nevermind.

petey
Offline
Joined: 13-10-05
Feb 10 2010 21:38
The Outlaw wrote:
They're still doing the same thing - fighting an Imperialist invasion.

my mum (96) would like a quiet word with you

Wellclose Square
Offline
Joined: 9-05-08
Feb 12 2010 01:33
Quote:
Oh Mr Taliban, tally my bananas.

Tally me banana, surely... If I'd copyrighted that when I first spotted it, like I should've when the (In Bed With M'Dinner) comedian recycled my joke about the Tupac Amaru siege at the Peruvian Embassy, Ferrero Rocher and the ambassador's reception, I'd be a rich... Oh, never mind.

Eccelente...

lrnec
Offline
Joined: 29-10-07
Feb 14 2010 19:16
The Outlaw wrote:
How are the Taliban any different to the IRA?
The Outlaw wrote:
They're still doing the same thing - fighting an Imperialist invasion.

The Taliban don't have public sympathy either.

The IRA, which ever one your talking about, are a nationalist organisation focused on the end of British Rule in the geographic island called Ireland. (Don't really want to get into an argument about the definition of British or Irish or Ireland and Britain) Thats their basic agenda, similar to many nationalist organistions throughout the world. Although the IRA favor the Republican style of government but every groups different hey.

Unlike the Taliban the IRA don't believe other forms of government other than their own are heretical and the IRA don't really have a religious basis or requirement having Protestants, Catholics, Atheists, Jews etc among their members.

The Taliban are a fundamentalist Sunni Islamist political group who believe that the full implementation of Shari'a law(their interpretation of it of course) will lead to a perfect society and that it is a Muslims duty to utilize violence, literature and basically any action that isn't considered Haram so that Islam and their Shari'a law is spread to everyone in the world.

In some ways the Talibans beliefs resembles that of the Imperialists, the forced imposition of what they think is the correct/civilised/true religious way of life upon peoples willing or unwilling.

Khawaga's picture
Khawaga
Offline
Joined: 7-08-06
Feb 14 2010 20:27
Quote:
The Taliban are a fundamentalist Sunni Islamist political group who believe that the full implementation of Shari'a law(their interpretation of it of course) will lead to a perfect society and that it is a Muslims duty to utilize violence, literature and basically any action that isn't considered Haram so that Islam and their Shari'a law is spread to everyone in the world.

This is only partially correct. The Taliban are a pushthun ethnic/nationalist group, hence why their strongholds are in southern and eastern Afghanistan and the North West frontier province. Their interpretation of Islam is also heavily influenced by culture (e.g. one of the first big "acts" of the Tailban was to mediate some weird man-boy-love triangle in Kandahar. Needless to say, this has nothing to do with Sunni fundamentalist Islam).

It's a huge mistake to view the Taliban only as a religious group. For example, the fact that the US assembled the Northern Coalition out of non-Pushtu groups has been a huge problem for them later. Pushtus have traditionally been in power in Afhganistan, and lots of pushtu tribes were not happy with a bunch of Tajiks, Uzbeks, Hazaras etc. taking over. Hamid Karzai, a pushtu, was put in power (in part) to give the appearance that pushtus did not loose power.