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Mar 14 2007 15:40
CNT on chavez

the current issue of the CNT paper has an article on chavez. i haven't worked my way through all of it (there is a curious paragraph on 'hezbolla america latina" that i can't get) but it certainly isn't complimentary. there is a useful timeline on page 21 of government repressions of speech acts.

http://www.periodicocnt.org/331feb2007/

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Mar 14 2007 16:28

someone here posted a useful timeline of repression by chavez... anyone know where it is?

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Mar 14 2007 21:53

Do they do an English Version??? P.S. is John trying to set a world record in a number of post posted?? I just notice the DoB of the accounts.

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Mar 14 2007 21:54

i didn't see one at the site

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Mar 14 2007 21:55
Big Brother wrote:
Do they do an English Version???

is there a need for them to do one other than anarcho-nerds like us?

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is there a need for them to do one other than anarcho-nerds like us?

I don't know until I can find one that I can read... wink

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Mar 15 2007 00:18

Off topic, but the same issue of the CNT paper http://www.periodicocnt.org/331feb2007/ has an interesting article on internal debate and factions within the CNT. Page 22,"el anarcosindicalismo no esta muerto" by Beltran Roca Martinez. Could do with translating.

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Mar 15 2007 04:31

There are virtual translators on the Net, they are good for getting the gist of what people are trying to say, but you miss a lot of the nuances. They helped me read up on Venesuela among other things. I'd list them, but I don't wanna promote Capitalists.

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frew wrote:
There are virtual translators on the Net, they are good for getting the gist of what people are trying to say, but you miss a lot of the nuances. They helped me read up on Venesuela among other things. I'd list them, but I don't wanna promote Capitalists.

you cant boycott capitalism. list em.

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Mar 15 2007 05:57

i hope you dont mean stuff like babelfish... trying to read any large bit of writing translated through that is a bloody chore.

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Mar 15 2007 11:51
Tommy Ascaso wrote:
It's not from the CNT, they're reprinting an article (which is available in english) from El Libertario called Continued repression of popular protest and it contains the timeline of repression

Tommy Ascaso's right, but just to be precise i said it was in "the CNT paper"

Tommy Ascaso wrote:
it also had this quote which I find a bit worrying :
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There also seems to be a lack of intra-class solidarity in initiatives explicitly more “revolutionary”. This past October 23 Jose Miguel Rojas Espinosa was arrested, presumably after placing a low intensity detonator near the US embassy in Caracas. Three weeks later, in Maracaibo, Teodoro Rafael Darnott, aka “Commander Teodoro” is arrested, accused of being the mastermind. According to a web page in MSN groups, both belong to the Wayuu Islamic Autonomy organization, self-proclaimed founder of Hezbollah Latin America. The action was part of a Jihad called against the US for their belligerence towards Iraq and Iran. There are no graffiti to remind us, no flyers justifying them or asking for their freedom. In the champion country against the US, imprisoned anti-imperialists don’t have anyone writing to them.

thanks, that's the paragraph i found "curious", and it's more than a bit worrying.

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Mar 15 2007 11:52

speaking of babelfish, try this when you're bored: take a text, translate it into another language, and back again, and then repreat the process a few times. pure dada.

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Mar 15 2007 12:59
Tommy Ascaso wrote:
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There also seems to be a lack of intra-class solidarity in initiatives explicitly more “revolutionary”. This past October 23 Jose Miguel Rojas Espinosa was arrested, presumably after placing a low intensity detonator near the US embassy in Caracas. Three weeks later, in Maracaibo, Teodoro Rafael Darnott, aka “Commander Teodoro” is arrested, accused of being the mastermind. According to a web page in MSN groups, both belong to the Wayuu Islamic Autonomy organization, self-proclaimed founder of Hezbollah Latin America. The action was part of a Jihad called against the US for their belligerence towards Iraq and Iran. There are no graffiti to remind us, no flyers justifying them or asking for their freedom. In the champion country against the US, imprisoned anti-imperialists don’t have anyone writing to them.

so chavez is to blame for a lack of graffiti demanding the release of jihadists?

Disgraceful!

anyway, jihadists in latinamerica? what the FUCK.

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Mar 15 2007 14:36

embarrassed

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Mar 15 2007 17:24
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so chavez is to blame for a lack of graffiti demanding the release of jihadists?

Disgraceful!

anyway, jihadists in latinamerica? what the FUCK.

Actually, the real Hezbollah does have a presence in Latin America. It has been claimed that the people who bombed the Israeli embassy and the Jewish Community Center in Buenos Aires in the 80s were linked to Hezbollah, although I don't know if that is true.

As for this "Hezbollah in Latin America" group, their main activity seem to be making websites on MSN groups (and the bombs they were trying to set off was apparantly just a publicity stunt).

The real question though, why does El Libertario imply that these nutjobs deserve our "intra-class" solidarity? Perhaps someone should send them an email and ask what the fuck they are talking about...

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Mar 20 2007 00:35

I haven't read the CNT article yet. Are they talking about Chavez' attempts to dissolve several smaller socialist parties into one larger party?

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Mar 20 2007 13:44

they're talking mostly about how he uses us-vs-them rhetoric to stifle dissent.

BTW british trotskyists like him: ISG

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they're talking mostly about how he uses us-vs-them rhetoric to stifle dissent.

BTW british trotskyists like him: ISG

oh god yeah, no link needed mate. There isn't a trot group in the UK that doesn't get off on him to some extent. I think its Socialist Appeal that love to slurp his salami most/try and have the uk distribution rights on chavismo.

Ken Livingstone, london mayor, is also a fan as are the entire Labour left (thats our ruling party).

Bizarrely 'Global Womens Strike' (womens group, not trots) ADORE the fella, tho i never quite got how it was particulrly in their remit. Guess people went over for the failed coup and the bosses lock out and fell in love withe the whole proccess.

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Bizarrely 'Global Womens Strike' (womens group, not trots) ADORE the fella, tho i never quite got how it was particulrly in their remit. Guess people went over for the failed coup and the bosses lock out and fell in love withe the whole proccess.

cos they are tankies!

WHAT!

oh fuck. Had no idea. I thought they were the dusty womens group that campaigned almost exclusively for wages for housework and a global day of strike in aid of...

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Mar 20 2007 19:08

didn't chavez bring in some kind of wage for housework?

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Mar 22 2007 17:18

Is it just me or does it seem like Chavez is soon going to turn into a new Castro? And i personally think too many anarchists and communists are pledging allegiance to him. From what I've heard too is that crime is at an all-time high there, kidnappings and rapes are ongoing in the streets, and they don't even have a proper transportation system, and i didn't get this from FOX News or anything like that, i heard this from Jello Biafra. He may be wrong who knows..

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Mar 22 2007 20:23

hey tenparasites, welcome to libcom ...

you'll be pleased to learn most people on these boards are pretty critical of chavez red n black star

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Mar 23 2007 12:46
Tommy Ascaso wrote:
Word on the street is that Jon Snow's a big Chavez fan...

what's more i've got proof ...

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Mar 23 2007 13:14
Joseph K. wrote:
didn't chavez bring in some kind of wage for housework?

I guess so:

the Constitution of the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela wrote:

Article 88: The State guarantees the equality and equitable treatment of men and women in the exercise of the right to work. The state recognizes work at home as an economic activity that creates added value and produces social welfare and wealth. Housewives are entitled to Social Security in accordance with law.

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Mar 23 2007 13:38
Tacks wrote:
revol68 wrote:
Tacks wrote:
Bizarrely 'Global Womens Strike' (womens group, not trots) ADORE the fella, tho i never quite got how it was particulrly in their remit. Guess people went over for the failed coup and the bosses lock out and fell in love withe the whole proccess.

cos they are tankies!

WHAT!

oh fuck. Had no idea. I thought they were the dusty womens group that campaigned almost exclusively for wages for housework and a global day of strike in aid of...

Tacks, I thought they were founded by Selma James, or were based on her work or something. If she has anything much to do with them, it would be odd for them to be "tankies", as her current of Marxism denounced the Soviet Union as state capitalist. But for whatever reason, they're currently all over Chavez.

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Mar 23 2007 13:42

selma james was into wages for housework wasn't she? chavez pays wages for housework. bingo. perhaps.

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Mar 26 2007 09:06
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anyway, jihadists in latinamerica? what the FUCK.

Sounds like bullshit to me.

There is a large Palestinian exile population in Latin America -- mostly Chile -- but then again most of them are Christians, from what I've heard.

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Mar 26 2007 10:06
ffaker wrote:

There is a large Palestinian exile population in Latin America -- mostly Chile -- but then again most of them are Christians, from what I've heard.

Brazil has a big Syrian/Lebanese community, mostly Christian but Muslims as well. The Israeli invasion of Lebanon got a lot of news coverage with Brazilian-Lebanese families getting trapped in the fighting and some Brazilians getting killed - one of them fighting for Hezbollah.

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Mar 26 2007 10:09
Joseph K. wrote:
selma james was into wages for housework wasn't she? chavez pays wages for housework. bingo. perhaps.

But is it that, and not just unemployment benefit?

I thought they were tankies as well...