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Apr 14 2016 10:37

I agree with you mntg, CNT should just get out and not trying to reform anything. In fact I guess is looking to be kicked out. That document proposal about reforming IWA has made clear to me that there's no point in being organised together to certain people.

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Apr 14 2016 10:38
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There was no talk of 'proportional representation' because it was understood that 'democracy' based on proportional representation is premised on the bourgeois notion that posits the rights of the individual over the rights of the union. There was no talk of 'proportional representation' precisely because it was understood that the IWA is a federation of national sections where each was regarded equally with respect; one section, one vote. The organisational basis of the IWA is founded on the understanding of anarchist federation which has as its central purpose the dissipation, dispersal and attenuation of power.

Just wanted to highlight this, as I think it's an important thing to remember when speaking about voting rights. But this is an outsiders opinion so I won't add anything more.

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Apr 14 2016 10:45
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lol If you knew about what you're talking...

hehehe the rest we are waiting to see how it turns out disastrous

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PD: if numbers are the only relevant factor of a federation, you're ridiculous compared with CGT and you're pure shit compared with CCOO/UGT (the main syndicates on Spain). Maybe you should learn about that organizations, they outnumber you so they have to be more useful to the working class. That's your way of thinking.

Obvious, the CGT is even compared to ccoo/ugt shit. And the CNT more shit in comparison, already do not say of the groups of friends of many sections of the IWA and those expelled from the CNT.

The only difference is that the CNT wants to cease to be, wants to grow, is winning fights, improving the Organization and training of its members.

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Apr 14 2016 10:49

Jared, that is the problem, an anarchist Federation as a revolutionary Union or anarcho-syndicalist isn't the same. This last operates by direct democracy, by the law of majority, by collective discipline, in short, is the proletarian army organized.

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Apr 14 2016 20:07

Law of the majority sounds like bourgeois democracy to me. I understand direct democracy to allow for the voice of minorities through direct and equal participation.

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Apr 14 2016 19:41

Carnet of CNT during the civil war, it has some sentences in it:

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- El anarcosindicalismo y el anarquismo organizado, se rigen por la ley de mayorías.

- El militante tiene derecho a opinar y defender su tesis, pero viene obligado a acatar las decisiones mayoritarias, aunque sean contrarias a su sentir.

- El sello confederal es el único ingreso que tienen los Comités Regionales y Nacional. No cotizarlo, es sabotear la obra que has encomendado a estos Comités, los cuales no la realizarán, por falta de medios económicos.

- Rechazamos el autoritarismo individual, pero aceptamos, y hay que cumplir, el mandato colectivo y mayoritario. Sin ese reconocimiento, no hay organización.

- Agilidad mental para ver el peligro y superarlo con rapidez, es lo que hace falta. Perder el tiempo divagando en reuniones, con disquisiciones filosóficas, es antirrevolucionario. El adversario no discute, actúa.

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- The anarcho-syndicalism and anarchism organized, are governed by the law of majorities.

- The militant has a say and defend his thesis, but is obliged to abide by majority decisions, though contrary to their feelings.

- The confederal seal is the only income they have Regional and National Committees. Not quote it, it is to sabotage the work you have entrusted to these committees, which will not do it, for lack of economic means.

- We reject individual authoritarianism, but we accept, and must be met, the collective and majority mandate. Without such recognition, no organization.

- Mental Agility to see the danger and overcome it quickly, it is what is needed. Digress waste time in meetings with philosophical disquisitions, is anti-revolutionary. The adversary does not discuss acts.

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Apr 18 2016 13:15

For those who can read Italian -- this are the decisions of the USI extraordinary congress last weekend at Parma:

http://www.usi-ait.org/index.php/notizie/1129-le-mozioni-del-congresso-s...

Ovvero: L'Anarcosindacalismo internazionalista in marcia! Le Mozioni del Congresso straordinario dell'USI-AIT

Il Congresso straordinario dell'USI-AIT si è tenuto, in un clima di grande unità, partecipazione e solidarietà, nei giorni 9 e 10 aprile 2016 a Parma. All'ordine del giorno le questioni legate al processo di involuzione autoritaria dell'AIT (l'Associazione che dal 1922 raggruppa i sindacati rivoluzionari del mondo) in atto da alcuni anni, la necessità di rifondare l'AIT su basi libertarie e reale progettualità sindacale/sociale e le tematiche internazionaliste, oggi piu' che mai indispensabili per costruire un fronte mondiale dell'anarcosindacaslismo. Accogliendo le indicazioni della CNT Spagnola e del suo recente congresso, anche l'USI-AIT si posiziona all'interno del percorso di riattivazione dell'Internazionale portando il suo contributo espresso dalle due mozioni del Congresso di Parma (una su analisi/progetto, l'altra su questioni più tecniche). Quella che pubblichiamo è la prima delle due mozioni in oggetto.

Ordine del Giorno congresso USI-AIT:

- analisi e valutazione attuale AIT – decisione se e come continuare l'esperienza dell'attuale AIT
- Quale prospettiva anarcosindacalista perseguire sul piano internazionale e con chi
– Individuazione linee di indirizzo di un nuovo statuto.

1° Mozione approvata.

Da circa una ventina d’anni l’AIT sta presentando una profonda involuzione. Si è progressivamente chiusa in sé stessa, divenendo incapace di diventare un reale punto di riferimento per tutte quelle realtà sindacaliste che, esprimono la necessità e la volontà di un coordinamento a livello mondiale di organismi sindacali in lotta frontale con tutte le forme di capitalismo e neoliberismo.

L’attenzione principale espressa dagli ordini del giorno dei vari Congressi è stata focalizzata sulla presunta necessità di alzare un muro tra l’AIT ed i suoi nemici, che non sono –come verrebbe da pensare- il capitalismo globalizzato, il neoliberismo e gli Stati, ma le organizzazioni sindacali che non aderiscono a questa AIT.

E' stata così modificata la normativa interna (compresi alcuni punti statutari fondamentali) rendendola sempre più stringente e tesa alla conservazione degli equilibri interni piuttosto che a una crescita reale dell’Internazionale.

Per questi motivi il congresso straordinario dell'USI (Parma 9-10 aprile 2016), accertato che, attualmente, l'internazionale ha deviato dai dettami anarcosindacalisti e/o sindacalisti rivoluzionari cosi come definiti dal congresso fondativo di Berlino del 1922,

ritiene necessario e improrogabile dare vita ad un processo che porti alla riattivazione e/o rifondazione di una internazionale anarcosindacalista e/o sindacalista rivoluzionaria, che sia motore di un processo di lotte e conquiste sociali internazionali dei lavoratori; sospendendo da subito il versamento delle quote.

Si valuta di non dover dare alcuna dimissione.

Infine, aderisce alla proposta avanzata dalla CNT-E per un percorso di riattivazione dell'AIT. Si auspica, altresì, che il convegno precongressuale convochi il congresso di riattivazione dell'AIT il prossimo dicembre a Berlino.

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The Extraordinary Congress of USI-AIT was held in an atmosphere of unity, participation and solidarity, on 9 and 10 April 2016 in Parma. On the agenda issues to the authoritarian involution AIT process (the Association which since 1922 brings together the revolutionary trade unions of the world) in place for some years, the need to re-establish the AIT of libertarian bases and real trade union planning / social and internationalist issues, now more 'than ever indispensable to build a world front dell'anarcosindacaslismo. Welcoming the signs of the Spanish CNT and its recent congress, even the USI-AIT is positioned within the path of the International reactivation bringing his contribution expressed by the two motions of the Parma Congress (one of analysis / project, the 'of other more technical issues). That we publish is the first of the two motions in question.

Agenda USI-AIT Congress:

- Current analyzes and evaluation AIT - the decision whether and how to continue the experience of the AIT
- What outlook anarcho-syndicalist pursue internationally and with whom
- Identification of a new statute guidelines.

1st Motion approved.

For nearly twenty years the AIT is presenting a deep involution. Has gradually closed in on itself, becoming incapable of becoming a real reference point for all those trade unionists who, expressing the need and willingness to coordinate global union bodies in frontal fight with all forms of capitalism and neoliberalism .
The main focus expressed by the agendas of the various Congress has been focused on the alleged need to raise a wall between the AIT and its enemies, who are not-as one might pensare- globalized capitalism, neoliberalism and the states, but the trade unions that do not adhere to this AIT.
E 'was amended internal regulations (including some basic statutory points) making it more and more stringent and aimed at the preservation of internal balance rather than a real growth of the International.
For these reasons, the extraordinary congress of USI (Parma 9 to 10 April 2016), established that, at present, the international anarcho-syndicalists has deviated from the dictates and / or revolutionary syndicalists as well as defined by the founding congress of Berlin of 1922,
It considers it necessary and urgent to create a process that will lead to the reactivation and / or re-establishment of an international anarcho-syndicalist and / or revolutionary syndicalist, which is the engine of a process of struggle and international social achievements of workers; immediately suspending the payment of the allowances.
It is estimated to not have to give any discharge.
Finally, it adheres to the proposal made ​​by the CNT-AIT And for a reactivation path. It is hoped also that the pre-congress conference would convene the reactivation of the IWA conference this December in Berlin.

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Apr 19 2016 00:21

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Mood Lugius, since the new section you would like to ride in Spain will be friends of the "León de la Alhambra"

So what? The responsibility for the "León de la Alhambra" lies directly with the CNT. It is the CNT that is responsibile for "León de la Alhambra" and no one else.

If you are familiar with the method of anarcho-syndicalism you would understand this. The responsibility for the IWA Secretariat lies directly with that section responsible by an IWA Congress.

How is the "León de la Alhambra" any different from the current CNT Secretary insofar as rigging votes?

Now I hear that the process of ratification of of the XI CNT Congress involved no more than seven 'regional secretaries'. What happened to ratification of Congress decisions taking place in the assemblies?

The decision of the CNT XI Congress now has real questions over its legitimacy.

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I find it regrettable the current situation. No one doubts that there is a problem in the IWA. But instead of seeking solutions, we seem comfortable enlarging the differences.

CNT, FAU and USI organizations are still small, but they are making a name among the working class at the expense of working hard. It seems incredible that finds people who prefer us out. Do not forget that we are partners and all are doing anarcosindicalism.

Yes, we should be seeking solutions but the CNT is not interested in seeking solutions they are interested in the IWA insofar as they can control it. Sadly, it's been this way for some time but particularly since 2000

The current IWA Secretariat is only carrying out what the CNT pushed for for years, now the CNT has changed its collective mind and they have the expectation that the rest of the IWA will follow suit. Now they are desperately trying to justify their arbitrary action of presuming they own the IWA and are entitled to 're-found' it.

Yes, Arnt, you are right about the CNT, FAU and the USI being small but in their view their respective memberships so greatly outnumber the memberships of the other sections that this, and this alone, makes them right. i.e. Might is Right. Would any comrade care to chance a guess as to where the concept of 'Might is Right' is on the political spectrum?

Let us say that the membership of CNT is 5000 (I've heard everywhere between 8000 and 3000 so who knows) the USI is 1000 and the FAU is 500. To represent a 'small' section we can have the ASF with 50. I use approximate figures to illustrate a point. The membership of the IWA is based on national sections, not total membership i.e. it is not a general membership organisation. Taking these figures of 'quantity of members we can say the CNT is a hundred times greater than the ASF, the USI twenty times greater and the FAU 10 times greater.

So the respective populations of the nations represented are Spain 48 million, Italy 60 million, Germany 82 million, Australia 24 million. On a per capita basis; CNT 104 per million, USI 16 per million, FAU 6 per million and ASF 2 per million. Looking at these figures, The CNT is no longer a hundred times greater but only fifty times greater, the USI is no longer twenty times greater but eight times greater and the FAU is no longer ten times greater but only three times greater.

Requiring at least 100 members applied across the board effectively excludes sections from countries with small populations.

Wouldn't the CNT proposed voting system be fairer if it were based on per capita? The proposed voting system has nothing to do with proportional representation and everything to do with power and control.

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I agree with some of you in that the sectionis the subject of decission, and therefore it makes sense that all have the same votes.

Of course, the IWA is a federation of national sections. The membership of the IWA is not made up of inviduals, consequently, proportional voting does not make sense. The CNT is being disingenuous pretending the IWA is a general membership organisation as opposed to a federation of affiliated sections. A fact they have known for some considerable period of time and only become a problem for them now.

For example, the IWW is a general membership organisation and each individual member gets one vote when voting for the General Executive Board. Consequently, the GEB is not only dominated by members living in America, it is dominated by members living in certain parts of America, like Chicago. So while they may aspire to be 'of the World' they really are of Chicago. So if you live in Chicago, inevitably you'll have greater say and more influence.

The FAU is the German section but not really. Because of proportional representation and the Berlin section having a greater membership than the rest combined means that all decisions by the FAU will be made only by those in the Berlin section effectively disenfranchising the rest of the membership.

The CNT proposed voting system is exclusionary and consistent with other exclusionary policies introduced recently in the CNT; excluding the pensioners and raising the minimum membership requirement from 5 to 15 are examples. The CNT proposed voting system is about maintaining power, control and exclusion.

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Should focus on growth, not supervise others. A very small organization has limited resources and focus on growth is the best strategy. And do not forget that after all, the IWA is an international union. We can have small groups in growth, but call unions some of them is a bit pretentious.

I'm not sure what you mean when you say 'supervise others'. Does that mean that one section should not ask for proof of claimed numbers of members by another section? What if a section has 1,000 members entitling it to 2 votes (under the proposed system) How much incentive would there be on the Secretary to approach his wife's cousin's milkman's brother's lawyer to sign up today thus making 1,001 members and gaining that crucial extra vote?

How will a 're-founded' IWA grow if it excludes sections from places it is not? Is it fair to make a comparison with sections from countries that are small in population and little in the way of anarchist or anarcho-syndicalist tradition?

Is the problem of having small sections with a vote so great as to warrant an entire 're-founding'? Would there not be an alternative course by which to seek a resolution? Not if you aim to concentrate the decision-making power into to the hands of the few.

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he Extraordinary Congress of USI-AIT was held in an atmosphere of unity, participation and solidarity, on 9 and 10 April 2016 in Parma. On the agenda issues to the authoritarian involution AIT process (the Association which since 1922 brings together the revolutionary trade unions of the world) in place for some years, the need to re-establish the AIT of libertarian bases and real trade union planning / social and internationalist issues, now more 'than ever indispensable to build a world front dell'anarcosindacaslismo. Welcoming the signs of the Spanish CNT and its recent congress, even the USI-AIT is positioned within the path of the International reactivation bringing his contribution expressed by the two motions of the Parma Congress (one of analysis / project, the 'of other more technical issues). That we publish is the first of the two motions in question.

Agenda USI-AIT Congress:

Who would've guessed that the rank and file of the USI would have more or less the same idea as the rank and file of the CNT at more or less the same time?

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convene the reactivation of the IWA conference this December in Berlin.

Hey, that's the capital of Germany! I wonder if the entire membership of the FAU are thinking the same thing?

I'm hoping CNT_Exteriores can shed some light as no one so far has explained how the CNT or any other section has the authority to 're-found' the IWA. How does the CNT Congress arrogate to itself authority to decide for the IWA and not the IWA Congress?

Can anyone explain?

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Carnet of CNT during the civil war, it has some sentences in it:
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- El anarcosindicalismo y el anarquismo organizado, se rigen por la ley de mayorías.

- El militante tiene derecho a opinar y defender su tesis, pero viene obligado a acatar las decisiones mayoritarias, aunque sean contrarias a su sentir.

- El sello confederal es el único ingreso que tienen los Comités Regionales y Nacional. No cotizarlo, es sabotear la obra que has encomendado a estos Comités, los cuales no la realizarán, por falta de medios económicos.

- Rechazamos el autoritarismo individual, pero aceptamos, y hay que cumplir, el mandato colectivo y mayoritario. Sin ese reconocimiento, no hay organización.

- Agilidad mental para ver el peligro y superarlo con rapidez, es lo que hace falta. Perder el tiempo divagando en reuniones, con disquisiciones filosóficas, es antirrevolucionario. El adversario no discute, actúa.

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- The anarcho-syndicalism and anarchism organized, are governed by the law of majorities.

- The militant has a say and defend his thesis, but is obliged to abide by majority decisions, though contrary to their feelings.

- The confederal seal is the only income they have Regional and National Committees. Not quote it, it is to sabotage the work you have entrusted to these committees, which will not do it, for lack of economic means.

- We reject individual authoritarianism, but we accept, and must be met, the collective and majority mandate. Without such recognition, no organization.

- Mental Agility to see the danger and overcome it quickly, it is what is needed. Digress waste time in meetings with philosophical disquisitions, is anti-revolutionary. The adversary does not discuss acts.

This represents the weakness of the argument for proportional representation. It is a false analogy. This google translation of a CNT document of 1936 pertains to individuals in an assembly not the national sections of the IWA.

- The militant has a say and defend his thesis, but is obliged to abide by majority decisions, though contrary to their feelings.

As the individual militant is 'obliged to abide by majority decisions' of the assembly of which they are a member, so the national section is obliged to abide by the majority decision of the IWA. This includes the CNT, USI and FAU.

We reject individual authoritarianism, but we accept, and must be met, the collective and majority mandate. Without such recognition, no organization.

Same applies to individual national sections within the IWA as it does to individual militants in the assembly.

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For example, the IWW is a general membership organisation and each individual member gets one vote when voting for the General Executive Board. Consequently, the GEB is not only dominated by members living in America, it is dominated by members living in certain parts of America, like Chicago. So while they may aspire to be 'of the World' they really are of Chicago. So if you live in Chicago, inevitably you'll have greater say and more influence.

Almost all of that is incorrect.

The highest body of the IWW is the annual referendum. The rederendum votes on what the delegate convention passes. Every member gets a ballot to vote. The delegate convention is the second highest body. Branches and unions are represented here through more or less proportional delegate allotments. The convention nominates officers, creates committees, amends the constitution/bylaws etc.

The GEB, the third highest body, is responsible for the union in between delegate conventions, not unlike a secretariat. I assume the GEB has more power than the IWA secretariat but that's just an assumption.

It is centered around the U.S. because of historical reasons but this is changing, as UK membership is almost the same as U.S. There is an ongoing committee to completely change the international structure of the union so it does not revolve around the U.S. so heavily.

The GEB is not based out of Chicago and not one current person who serves on it lives in Chicago. Chicago is where the GHQ is at, which has almost entirely Administrative functions. The General-Secretary Treasurer cannot set policy, change the constitution, expell bodies of the union, etc. They mostly spend their time maintaining membership records, dispersing money, etc.

EDIT: Sorry, made some mistakes, corrected.

EDITx2: This is off-topic. Moved discussion of IWW structure to this thread.

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convene the reactivation of the IWA conference this December in Berlin.

Hey, that's the capital of Germany! I wonder if the entire membership of the FAU are thinking the same thing?

First, the said conference appears in the report on USI's extraordinary congress concerning the IWA question. So you'd better ask the USI about it. Second, I do not know what exactly you are understanding bay “the same thing“. If you think of the critics the Spanish CNT and USI expressed concerning the actual situation of the IWA I'd guess that about 95 to 98% percent of the FAU rank-and-file are backing it. The FAU will have it's regular 2016 congress in may. You will propably come to know it's decicions once they are ratified.

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do not know what exactly you are understanding bay “the same thing“.

I think you do know what I'm talking about and your just being coy.

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I'd guess that about 95 to 98% percent of the FAU rank-and-file are backing it.

Ok, I can confirm that Berlin FAU is backing it, so why bother with a Congress?

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You will propably come to know it's decicions once they are ratified.

I think I know its decision now. I think a lot of people know what the Berlin FAU thinks. What Berlin FAU thinks, FAU thinks.

If the FAU Congress does anything other than back the CNT proposal, I'll walk backwards to Perth.

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Apr 19 2016 07:57

Lugius, how would I dare to argue with you, the brillant know-it-all from down-under? Why questions, when you obviously already know everything better (though you in fact know little to nothing)? So, let's just leave it at that.

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(though you in fact know little to nothing)?

You're absolutely right, Robot. But what little I do know is serious cause for concern.
I certainly don't know the whole story I'm so far away. But I'm sure there are people who do.
I don't have PhD in semiotics but I know bullshit when I see it.

Again, I put the question; by what right does the CNT presume to 're-found' the CNT. What justifies such a drastic step?

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The FAU has maintained international contacts with organizations in Poland whose members were involved in local elections with openly far-right individuals and which openly cooperate with political parties. The FAU of course knows about this and was informed about it by the local IWA section. It decided to ignore it, because why would cooperation with political parties and running in elections with the far-right be a bad thing?

Why did the FAU decide to do that? Because they were made to believe that the organization they work with is "big" because it gets people to sign up through the internet and doesn't care if the members agree with anarchosyndicalist principles. It doesn't matter, because the decisions are made in a closed internal group made of 6 people (and that's officially in the statutes).

So, in fact, they are just looking for contacts with mainstream unions and this is why I recommended they join Verdi, which is bigger and since principles do not matter. They can keep their flags and the cat for sentimental reasons, I am sure the leadership of Verdi will agree to that.

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Apr 24 2016 13:31

Comrade Z, l know that this outrage is the first in your mind since this has affected you, me and many others directly and we know how unacceptable this is and are extremely upset about the intervention of the FAU in matters concerning the development of the movement in our country. However, please do not mislead people when writing. The situation with FAU started many years ago and the current procedures were started as a result of the agreements of there Congress of June 2014. Being well aware of the influence of a number of individuals who were looking to go out of the lWA, knowing that at the Congress of 2013, members of the FAU delegation asked USl and CNTE if they would join them in leaving, seeing the Congress decisions of 2014, seeing the projects to create other networks (which did not do so well), seeing the non-participation of FAU in the lWA Plenary discussing contacts with other organizations, seeing the motion on the FAU Congress agenda to leave lWA (supported by 60% but that doesn't pass in FAU since they need a bigger majority), the agreements of the FAU Congress were to be interpreted. Of course they showed a pattern. Anybody with a grain of intelligence could see that for a while there was a tendency to split the lWA into larger organizations (deemed worthwhile) and the others. FAU does not and did not see organizations in the lWA, for example ours, as part of their 2014 Congress international expansion plans, but they prefer even organizations which are not really libertarian.

This is the basis of what it is all about.

We could talk about it forever on Libcom, but, to be frank, l don't think it is too productive. Also, there are apparently a lot of posibilists in the world who don't care really about facts or criticism of unions that make decisions through a central committee. Of course we know that the majority of workers in a certain other union in our city have split off because of the deplorable actions of the central committee and we wonder what the fuck took them so long or why they even were there in the first place. The world is not kind to people who try to work on principle and don't believe that any method can achieve our goal, which is not to be just a union. But we just have to stay the course, even if it means that the folks from the West are not satisfied with our work performance. (hehehe)

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“On the Extraordinary Congress of USI – Against the Illegitimate Use of the Name IWA”
Submitted by Secretariat on Sat, 04/23/2016 - 15:15

http://www.iwa-ait.org/languages/english

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Apr 26 2016 03:21

Does anyone else have any further news about the USI extraordinary Congress held in Parma over the weekend of 9/10 April?

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I google translated this from CNT Levante website;

The Regional Confederation of Levante, consisting of unions Albacete, Alcoy, Elda, La Marina Alta, Sagunto, La Plana and La Safor, has the agreement and the moral obligation to declare the following statements and purposive considerations emanating from all our assemblies, conferences and full post-processing of inorganic desfederación.

First, as unions and afiliadxs desfederados fraud, against all rules and moral libertarian (decision over thanks to biased reports prepared by the "observers" of the previous SPCC, today expelled for being corrupt was taken), we continue to constitute Regional Levante CNT-AIT, while we never cease to be.

Secondly, we believe that many of the agreements that have been taken in the CNT in the last decade away the Confederation of anarcho-syndicalism and its own Principles, Tactics and Aims; and lead a path we do not know where it will end, but we are convinced that the revolutionary syndicalism away. We see no need to dwell much, but we can not enumerate some of these changes:

• Increased number of afiliadxs to form a union and obligation to spend a year as confederal core before they can form a trade union, even taking
sufficient affiliation. This is an attack on federalism and centralization of decision-making capacity around major cities and towns.

• Changing the voting system to favor the formation of simple majority, rather than forcing the search for consensus.

• Progressive change model of union militants to model services union, focusing solely on getting all possible affiliation although not translated into militancy, giving up entirely to direct action, to the involvement of employee lending propixs in struggles , etc. The best example of this is the SOV of Valencia, which claims to have 180 afiliadxs but in their assemblies is not able to collect more than twelve people usually as one of the last driven out of the SOV.

• disproportionate to the ability to contribute Importance coming to take the vote to the unions if their members have trouble paying the fee; and even resorting to charge lxs afiliadxs and regional through monthly bank statements

automatic, which is a flagrant contradiction with our anti-capitalist principles, as well as being completely unnecessary.

• Replacing the Cabinet of Legal and Pro-Prisoners for Confederal Technical Office that leaves aside presxs vegan, by focusing solely on labor disputes. This Cabinet is a terrible economic drain for unions, and in most cases only performs consulting functions, which could carry out more economic and efficient ways. This also implies the existence of trabajadorxs contratadxs by the CNT, which puts the Confederation in the role of exploiter.

• increasingly more vertical and less horizontal in decision-making, with Plenary Committees that make proposals and make decisions, leaving only the role of assemblies ratify or character. This was what happened during our desfederación process, without going any further. The inevitable consequence of this drift is living recently in the form of "irregularities" in the Treasury.

• aberrant frontism that in addition to calling campaigns and events with subsidized as the CGT unions, has come to degenerate into share based unnecessarily political parties as we (and white markings) or CUP, or double militancy in such political parties and CNT at the same time.

• Confrontation with the AIT because it refuses to accept the proposals of the CNT, which does not conform to abandon its idiosyncrasies and its historical characteristics, but also try to drag the International him and, when he sees that fails, arises leave or "refundarla".

• Expulsion of those who do not conform to this change of course, using various excuses. In our case they were alleged breaches of organic standards, if they can be described as such a thing, since there are regional that work continuously in the same way without this being a problem. In the case of compañerxs otrxs, excuses are different. The real reason is that we must purge those struggling to get the CNT remains what it has always been.

We could go on, but not what we need. After all, we understand that our comrades and unions to which it is addressed are already fully aware of the posibilista drift that is taking the CNT. We want to focus on what is in the proposed solutions to this problem.

The CNT may not be the caricature of union deliberately deformed step by step, congress to congress, its lines and categories that have always defined: its internationalism, solidarity, direct action, federalism and autonomy. It is not acceptable to stop and look how they change the background and image of our Gloriosa to the finalist reformism, syndicalism service, centralized, unsupportive, pactista, corrupt and yellow. That's not the CNT, nor let it be.

Given the absurdity and discrediting of the various committees responsible for these anomalies and intentional diversion of the anarcho-syndicalist and fraternal history of the organization, we declare our intention and desire to restructure the CNT from below, together with the unions still maintain a minimum of coherence in theory and revolutionary practice.

Therefore, we call on the unions to take clear position regarding the kidnapping of the CNT and premeditated disarmament of its principles, tactics and goals. Regional propose the organization of the anarcho-syndicalists unions today inside or outside the CNT; so that, with the Regional reorganized and Levante, a National Confederation of Labor representative of the principles of the AIT in the territory of the Spanish state is present. This does not necessarily mean the departure of that "CNT kidnapped" by the union so deems appropriate, pending a (in our opinion) unlikely change of address or be expelled without saving them work.

We restructure our CNT among whom we feel part of it in consistency. We constitute the CNT Regional Confederation organized as outside who are not anarcho but are claimed as such; reorganize Regional and go from a National Conference of Trade Unions to a Congressional process reaffirm syndicalism and AIT in the territory occupied by the Spanish state and that feat for revolutionary dimension to the CNT that unites us into a revolutionary objectives and with means in strict accord. Work, definámonos and defend ourselves from below, together, as befits us without vanguards.

Here syndicalism has not failed, we can not even blame it fundamentally structural errors CNT: we have failed its members, as to the lack of moral, clear and effective response to attacks suffered. knowing ourselves also partly responsible, now we propose this step we want to take together. We believe it is time to plant firmly face, overcoming past mistakes and dejaciones, as we learn from them to continue on our path: the better we understand that we can bring a life into anarchy.

The situation created after the last congress of the CNT and the relationship with the AIT accelerates the need to take an active initiative in defense of anarcho-syndicalism, and this seems to measure all non-extendable. Levante formally asked to join the International not

only because it has excluded us from the last binding decisions Confederal position the CNT against AIT, while simultaneously make winks to antagonists to anarcosindicalismo organizations; also because we understand that the defense of anarcosindicalismo implies the defense of the AIT.

Who really believes that our tool is no longer yours has and has always had to leave the door open to other organizations, without hatred or rancor; what is not acceptable is dynamiting the essence and meaning of the CNT to make it a carnival mask, because in addition to that already exists CGT and his "anarcho domesticated". authoritarian vices, although not directly orders, privileges or promises of parliamentary sign, have taken root in the CNT, today led to shame; and we are decididxs to arrive where it is needed to counter it, not in vain nosotrxs we are the CNT and anarcho-syndicalism remains the best tool we know.

Health and anarchist social revolution.

Long live the CNT! Long live the IWA!

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Apr 26 2016 10:27

yeah! There you have the last expelled by rigging votes mainly, as well as insulting and defaming the CNT and yours members.

I will be generous, 5 member unions by 7 Unions I get a calculation of 35, but I inflated this, Let's say that they are 50 members. Ask yourselves, what trade union activities are they? only one makes something.
Levante 3 Unions, than if in CNT, added nearly 280 members with very much activity

Moreover, this statement lies are already answered along the thread

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Apr 26 2016 10:51

I can confirm what Ragnar says... they are maximum 45 members... actually the issue witrh them (one of them) was that those "unions" had 2 or 3 members for the last 30 years, and they didn´t pay their dues, but they "made up" a system were they could control Levante federation, of course they were expelled disafiliated, kicked out for cheating.

CNT Levante is this:
http://www.cnt.es/levante (around 300 members, it is one of our smallest federations)

The ones that made that are just 45 people with hundreds of thounsands of euros stolen from CNT in buildings, we will get them back. They are just a group of freaks Actually for Elda´s "group" fault CNT is having to pay half a million euros, for their incompetence, because CNT buildings are property of CNT and CNT has a liability over them, even if they are "squatted" by these freaks.... This didn´t happen in the 30s, they fixed these things quicker with a couple of "courtesy visits", well... modern times are diferent.

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Apr 26 2016 23:36

Ragnar, Yepa; you make claims based on numbers nobody can verify. Moreover, any attempt to verify is denounced as 'spying' or 'monitoring'. Are we meant to simply take your word for it? And if so, on what basis?

I am following CNT Levante website as means of finding as much as I can, here's the latest;

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We want to begin this statement by mentioning the fact that unions Albacete, Alcoy, Elda, La Marina Alta, La Plana, La Safor and Sagunto, which form the Regional Federation of Levante CNT-AIT, were desfederados last year of the yellow CNT (CNT we'll call plain, without -AIT); in the removal process, the organic rules of the CNT much more severe form that the alleged breaches of it by those who in theory we are desfederaba was broken. We will not enter this statement to analyze the unjust and illegitimate desfederación from which we were subjected. Just we want to point out that, at the time of the desfederación, our Regional chose not to make any public statement.

However, we can not remain silent and indifferent to the last statement that the CNT has published on its official website and cynically call "In Defense of AIT", as in this statement is insulted, slandered and publicly attacks the AIT, the International Workers' Association, which morally we have always belonged and still belong. We want to respond to that statement, that offends not only the members of the AIT but the anarcosindicalismo in general, since the CNT sadly today is no longer anarcosindicalista.

First, we find it unacceptable that since that statement was defames the AIT insinuating that consists of several groups "with very little commitment to union work in their territory and they do, however, enormous efforts to monitor the activities of other sections I do make this area their priority. " The context of the anarcho-syndicalists fellow AIT in other countries is radically different from Spain. Not only by repression or legal, but also by the previous development of the anarcho-syndicalist movement in these regions.

In Spain, when the CNT-AIT turned to legalize the late 70s, the initial membership of the Confederation was about 200,000 companions. Today, the number of members of the CNT in the country does not reach five figures. We understand that in Spain there have also been difficulties in all this time, but that makes it no less ridiculous than an organization that has lost more than 95% of its membership in recent decades is created with the right to criticize other sections that did not have that starting point and had to start from scratch, and the acknowledgment of "little dedication to union work"; which it is also false, and just be aware of circulars AIT (which from the CNT are blocking from reaching the membership) to realize the enormous work being carried out. The AIT has been making contacts all over the world to create new sections and strengthen existing ones in countries such as Australia, Singapore, Indonesia, Bulgaria, Netherlands, Honk Kong, Taiwan, etc. In the AIT it is working to extend the revolutionary trade union action around the world, and to say otherwise is simply lying.

Regarding the trade union work of the CNT in Spain, "dunk in trying to get a greater presence and relevance in its territory, which tested strategies, develop conflicts and has an impact" not only fails, but lost on the way its principles anarcosindicalistas daring even to give lessons to others with their nefarious example ... it is worth remembering that the CNT has signed agreements with CCOO and UGT, with all that they entail; and is proud of the agreement signed in Extractions Levante, despite containing the formation of a joint commission on reconciliation between the employer and its employees, the style of jurados and joint committees of the dictatorship of Primo de Rivera.

It is also curious that the CNT criticize some sections supposedly "inquisitorially monitor the activities of others." When, for several years, it is carrying out a purge to get rid of unions that do not conform to all the atrocities and corruption that are happening within the Confederation. In their eagerness to expel these comrades, they do not hesitate to watch what the fractious unions remaining in the CNT, to find some excuse with which to desfederarlos. In Andalusia, it is monitored very closely to certain partners and has reached unfederate two unions to organize joint actions with unions previously desfederados. And in Galicia they came to forcibly enter the email from one of Galicians desfederados unions. Who is acting inquisitorial?

It is quite striking that in the public statement to which we are responding, it is said that "it is not in any event large or small sections" and "are larger or smaller, anyway." In the above we mentioned the expulsion of two Andalusian unions to maintain contacts with other unions previously expelled. Note that initially were four unions did such a thing, and desfederación of the four was raised, but eventually two were "pardoned" and why this was done (and thus appears officially collected) was these two unions had more affiliation.

But most important is still noted that in recent years the CNT has taken a series of measures with the aim of favoring unions with more affiliation (irrespective of their activity) and harm the unions with little affiliation. In the X Congress, the voting system was changed for unions with many affiliates have full power of decision in the regional and confederal plenary sessions. In the XI Congress agreed that the minimum to form a union of the CNT rose from 5 to 15 people. In addition, this yellow CNT tried to implement a new voting system in the AIT, which happen something similar. We will return to this matter. The fact is that in the CNT, even now say the opposite, yes they value most large unions at the expense of small, whether or not activity, or implantation, without regard to the different territorial realities, which determines a centralized organization that promotes large cities ninguneando the rest. There are unions in the CNT are set as examples to have 180 members, yes, paying religiously by direct debits their dues (remember that money are votes for them and that membership in a big city does not mean a great implantation) and have gotten a couple of victories magnified in several trade disputes, but only attend their meetings, in the best case, a dozen people.

They speak in the CNT of "ideological control" issue that should not even mention if they had an ounce of shame. CNT in the last few years there has been an ideological drift away to the organization of anarcho-syndicalism and floods of approaches and closer to social democracy that libertarian principles that have always characterized the proposals. As mentioned above, they are not few unions have attempted to oppose such reform drift. The consequence has been a purge that has already cost down twenty unions of the Confederation, many expelled and others who have decided to leave on their own feet. Probably more in the future, as the ideological persecution against all those who do not like the new idiosyncrasies of the CNT continues.

It was precisely the CNT which has been intentionally conflict internationally. The CNT has made many efforts to try to spread to other sections of the AIT your posibilista derived for the principles are a drag. It should be clarified that the AIT has always been considered the core International is Section, not the member, because it is considered that the idea that the basis of a process of collective decision making is the affiliate, corresponds to a bourgeois and individualistic conception of representative democracy that has nothing to do with federalism, in which the base is the assembly and not the individual. For this reason, the AIT all sections have one vote regardless of their membership.

Because the voting system, which in the statement of the CNT described as "peculiar", the CNT failed to spread their corruption to the rest of the AIT, as only two other sections sympathized with these approaches. Since they could not gain ideological control of the AIT with the votes, they tried to change the voting system to have more decision-making. Again this, who had managed to do within the CNT itself in the X Congress, they went wrong in the AIT. That, and no other, is the real reason we now propose the reestablishment of a parallel AIT: they can not exert ideological control over it for votes.

To continue, the statement asserts that "because of these contradictions, was being forged an important internal crisis, which erupted with the expulsion of the German section, the FAU". This section, which had been systematically violating the agreements of the AIT for over ten years, and was excluded as a precautionary measure in the XXII Congress of the AIT, held in Granada in December 2004. And yet, the FAU has never It has been ejected from the AIT, because today it is only temporarily suspended. So the CNT lying when he says that the FAU has been expelled, and in any case justifies its anti-federalist attitude.

We also want to point out something that the public statement of CNT do not mention is the fact that, after seeing that they could not control the AIT convincing sections of its proposals, the CNT decided to stop paying dues to the International. It was argued that the AIT supposed a terrible economic burden for the CNT. It is quite inconsistent to argue such a statement defending both the existence of the Confederal Technical Office, which not only means that the CNT plays the role of entrepreneur and contradicts the principle of direct action, but involves an economic drain for all unions want it or not (the payment of part of the fee for the GTC is required) although not absolutely necessary. It has also been lavished money on advertising outrageously with videos whose production has cost around € 6000 when industry professionals say the same video could have done with a budget six times less. Not to mention the scandal that has led to the lack of finance reports for several years despite the complaints of many unions, and the subsequent discovery that the former Permanent Secretariat of the Confederal Committee of the CNT had stolen a quantity of five figures Heritage funds.

Paradoxically, despite the above, in the CNT not only they have expressed concern about the alleged economic burden posed by the AIT, but also expelled several unions of Galicia for not paying dues. The debt of one of the unions did not reach even the 500 €. All this is very contradictory with the waste that has been made in the CNT in recent years, waste from the examples above are just a few. But we want to point out the fact that the CNT has not allowed that some unions are delayed in quotas, and at the same time refusing to pay its dues to the AIT. If the CNT expels unions do not pay their dues, how can you have the nerve to not pay theirs to the AIT?

To make matters contradictions, the decision taken by the CNT is not to leave the AIT. We speak of a CNT repeating again and again the critics unions that if they did not like decisions being taken, could leave whenever they wanted; but that if they stayed in the CNT they should accept agreements plenary sessions and Congress. Tips sell and me do not have, because now the CNT, instead of leaving the AIT, chooses to boycott it economically and attempting to create an AIT parallel to his image and likeness, which reminds us of some authoritarian bearded and conspired against the first international in the late nineteenth. To this CNT is Marxism are short and add a good dose of Machiavelli their premeditation.

This insulting purpose of "refounding" had another precedent that can not go unnoticed. The XXV Congress of the AIT was held in Valencia in December 2013. In it, the union itself of Valencia, the main protagonist of the inorganic process desfederación Regional Levante CNT-AIT, next to the kleptomaniac who was then Secretary General CNT, organizers of the Congress, committed a number of gross "irregularities". According to the report itself AIT SP, dated 19/08/2013 and the 26/08/2013 transacted, among other niceties, the organizers of the Congress delegates threatened AIT in order to prevent their participation and documentation encroached congressional.

We are facing a emanated attack last Congress of the CNT, which is an attack and attempted usurpation full-fledged AIT, because apart from stop paying the quota, among other gems, slanders the AIT and establishes the form of supplanting creating a parallel organization. It is unacceptable for a member section to publicly denounce the organization that supposedly belongs. It would be a blatant act of unfair and unseemly informality. The CNT with this agreement has been, obviously, regardless of the AIT. The AIT at its next Congress can only report the self-desfederación of the CNT, for practical purposes and theoretical, you can not expel an entity that is not a member of an association.

From the Regional Levante CNT-AIT completely defend the role of the AIT as a tool to globalize the struggle for the emancipation of the working class and applaud all the work done by its members worldwide. We are confident that this work will bear fruit, if we know the possibilism defend and internal conflicts that it takes forever associated. We also denounce the manipulation and attempts to discredit the AIT that the CNT is conducting; and we encourage sections of the AIT to take steps to defend against these attacks. The anarcho-syndicalist CNT is longer, and therefore has no place in the AIT.

Finally, we urge anarcosindicalistas fellow Spanish State, in and out of the CNT, to organize and take steps to restructure the CNT-AIT so that the International does not lose its presence in the mainland, while give anarcosindicalismo presence and strength to defend this country and the trends have now made owners of the organization and are completely opposed to the principles, purposes and anarcho-syndicalist tactics that always characterized the CNT-AIT.

We will not let them keep fooling anyone.

For libertarian communism, long live the CNT-AIT!

Ragnar
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Apr 27 2016 01:37

True, easy for the cenetistas to know it. But is also easy for you, ask for sindicalyst activity that they have and making each "union", also asked to have affiliation, just want it to say. Another option is to use the search engine of google on news of CNT in those locations, you'll be amazed.

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Apr 27 2016 05:39

There is a saying that historical events sometimes may happen twice - the first time as a tragedy, the second time as a farce. If one considers the manufacturing of the CNT-Fs split and its IWA aftermaths in the 90s as the tragedy, then now we will experience the farce.

I do not want to comment on that alleged Ex-CNT Levante with their claims that the CNT is a "yellow union". Everyone who once visited the region knows, what kind of "SOV" those are and that their members are far more busy with their acivities in the different anarchist federations than they ever have been in the CNT.

Thats not of any importance anyhow, as they are just the "useful idiots" for those that write the statements for them - both inside and outside the Spanish state. Anyhow, the IWA will propably get what many within it are looking for, some new networks of affinity groups that may continue the fight for the bones of the cadaver - and of course its well equipped cashbox.

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Apr 27 2016 09:31

A rather grotesque statement, especially the last part, when we consider who actually robbed the CNT. As for your conspiracy theories, I am sure somebody is foolish enough to buy them but the reasons for this statement and dozens of similar complaints have nothing to do with anything but the actual complaints of cnt membership, current and former. We can put up a list, but yeah, the anarchist opinions of people who aren't managing big unions should just be dismissed as the ravings of lunatics I suppose. Now we see how power wins out.

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Apr 27 2016 10:13

If clear Akai. That coincidence that all those expelled are lying, slander, cheating with votes, insult fellow... even reaching grotesque things like poison with marijuana-cupcake to members or rub the fanaticism of a religion. Also what a coincidence that do not form or want to know nothing of making syndicalism (for some, at least, had been well) and is funny, because they are the Akai will be gladly at your AIT. Ah! quiet, it gives us quite like that because it opens a new era of possibilities for the CNT.

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Apr 27 2016 10:32

Akai please, take all the Talibans remaining in CNT to stop hindering, above all those of the "SOV Madrid" that are very boring.