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Sep 12 2015 13:05
Starry-eyed gushing over Corbyn

Had to be done. I imagine Owen Jones is nose deep into his Guardian column as we speak, and Labourlist appears to be first off the blocks:

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Now is the time for change, challenging what is the norm and building an inclusive politics movement. We face a huge number of challenges ahead of us, but so too did Corbyn when he made it onto the leadership election ballot. It is possible that this movement will lead the Labour party to victory and defy expectations again.

I don't reckon the gushing will be quite as gushy as in the Syriza thread, especially with the Graun throwing a grump, but there should be a fair bit to go on anyhow.

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Sep 12 2015 13:12

The Tories appear to be threatening a coup... confused

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Sep 12 2015 13:40

Socialist Party doing some wonderful gushing while warning about a right-wing backlash, which they reckon only they can help him defeat (the amount of craven backtracking on the last 30 years of their political project going on here is amazing):

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This is a historic moment. Nothing will be the same again. For decades Westminster politics has meant nothing but right-wing, pro-big business politics
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We would urgently encourage Jeremy Corbyn to organise a huge conference of all those who have voted for him, plus the many trade unions - including non-affiliated unions like the RMT, PCS and FBU - which support a fighting anti-austerity programme. The Socialist Party would participate in such a conference and would encourage all other anti-austerity campaigners to do the same
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Jeremy Corbyn's victory and, above all, the mobilisation of hundreds of thousands of anti-austerity young people and workers that have ensured that victory are an important step forward.

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Sep 12 2015 13:29

Disappointingly guarded from Owen, basically a rehash of his "we've got an uphill struggle" blog. Possibly he's learned a lesson from the Syriza debacle and is now thinking "can't build em up too much, otherwise they won't look to me for advice in 2020."

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Sep 12 2015 14:30

When Corbyn fails to effect any significant change(that's assuming he's genuine and really tries) can we assume that left labour activists will renounce parliamentary politics? I'd be very surprised if they didn't, I mean they surely wouldn't be stupid enough to stick there collective tongue deep into the arse of the next stooge that gets the job and start the whole sorry charade over again would they?

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Sep 12 2015 14:56
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When Corbyn fails to effect any significant change(that's assuming he's genuine and really tries) can we assume that left labour activists will renounce parliamentary politics? I'd be very surprised if they didn't, I mean they surely wouldn't be stupid enough to stick there collective tongue deep into the arse of the next stooge that gets the job and start the whole sorry charade over again would they?

Witness the left of capital

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Sep 12 2015 15:09
Webby wrote:
When Corbyn fails to effect any significant change(that's assuming he's genuine and really tries) can we assume that left labour activists will renounce parliamentary politics? I'd be very surprised if they didn't, I mean they surely wouldn't be stupid enough to stick there collective tongue deep into the arse of the next stooge that gets the job and start the whole sorry charade over again would they?

Dunno if any party activists would reject parliamentary politics so easily tbh. There's always excuses, reasons why it couldn't be done, people to blame. My auld man has been a Labour party member on and off all his life - mostly off these days - and I see him very much as the typical old labour party member - disgusted by the party but not in any particular frame of mind to reject the parliamentary system.

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Sep 12 2015 16:22

Socialist Action (the ex-Trotskists, now Stalinists, apparently behind the Corbyn campaign) are, of course, very happy. A few well-paid jobs for them no doubt!

For more on Socialist Action etc., I've just added a bunch of quotes and opinions to the 'Arguments AGAINST Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour Party' post.

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Sep 12 2015 18:09


Seen this image about.. you know, coz Obama wasn't a massive fucking disappointment..

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Sep 12 2015 19:06

In that pic it looks like Corbyn's got no nose.

That reminds me of a joke.

"Jeremy Corbyn's got no nose!

How does he smell?

Like the warmed-up corpse of Tony Benn wearing Michael Foot's old donkey jacket!"

I am already really really sick of Jeremy Corbyn.

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Sep 12 2015 20:11

Plasma - I was only messing. Not even I am daft enough to think that anything will change. My prediction is a heroic failure from Corbyn ending with resignation after the next election followed by a wild swing to the right and a Blair-a-like replacement.

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Sep 12 2015 19:34
slothjabber wrote:
In that pic it looks like Corbyn's got no nose.

That reminds me of a joke.

"Jeremy Corbyn's got no nose!

How does he smell?

Like the warmed-up corpse of Tony Benn wearing Michael Foot's old donkey jacket!"

I am already really really sick of Jeremy Corbyn.

Holy shit! I've split my sides, love a good joke so here's one back atcha;

An anarchist, a Moaist and a Trot walk into a bar and the barkeep says 'what is this, some kind of joke?

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Sep 12 2015 21:31
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Plasma - I was only messing. Not even I am daft enough to think that anything will change. My prediction is a heroic failure from Corbyn ending with resignation after the next election followed by a wild swing to the right and a Blair-a-like replacement.

Sorry mate, I'm thick as mince sometimes.

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Sep 12 2015 21:35

very interesting from this side of the pond if you're a political junky.

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Sep 12 2015 21:54

Yeah, even here in Eastern Europe leftists are pointing to this as the new Syriza (after the old Syriza proved underwhelming).

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Sep 13 2015 00:19

So, it's not exactly starry-eyed gushing, but this was pretty good from Sun:

http://www.sunnation.co.uk/out-of-work-socialist-magician-to-perform-at-...

Incidentally, I know the guy.

Anyway, it is interesting to see from this side of the pond where we've got our own little Corbyn in Bernie Sanders. I actually passed a Sanders rally today and it does seems like the Corbyn victory has given that lot a little boost.

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Sep 13 2015 11:13

To illustrate just how some people (though I suspect here, person) can be daft enough to think the Corbyn victory is in some way an inroad to libertarian political organising, here's a statement of some sort from the local anarchy gang. [Please note: for those unfamiliar with a key character central to repeatedly issuing statements and analysis on behalf of groups without their agreement, this statement should not be considered a gaurantee of the collective opinions of the rest of the members, who are probably asking why this fruit loop is still in charge of the Facebook page]
From the North East Anarchists Facebook page:

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A provisional statement on the corbyn victory
The Labour Party has not changed fundamentally, however today does change everything. It's now easier to organise and develop autonomous class politics and struggles. That struggle may well change and become one 'against' Corbyn at some stage, but we need to recognise that for the present moment the struggle for class politics is going through Labour.
To stand aside and not have a ppp, a perspective, policy & practice for this movement is sectarianism.
We need to argue for libertarian socialism within the Labour Party and the wider unions.
This does nothing to stop us being wobblies or antifa. It does means we need to face reality and the majority battles ahead.
One of us has joined Labour, already. Without illusions and without changing their core politics (not this writer). We do need organic links with any developing struggles sites and initiatives however, so that means some of us, perhaps only individuals, joining in most areas so we have up to date information. To not do this is to stand outside working class struggles, & as practical can do anarchists - we will never allow this to happen.
In the medium to long term it is highly likely that the Labour party will return to being a neo-liberal wet dream, & we will constantly monitor the situation.
The struggles continue!!

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Sep 13 2015 11:45
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The struggles continue!!

They sure do. I'm struggling to keep my lunch down.

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Sep 13 2015 16:29

tbf isn't that coming from the same lot who were backing intervention in Libya?

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Sep 13 2015 17:44

Think Anti War said Wages for Housework were behind the Corbyn campaign. Right enough, Selma James and others are in this Guardian video celebrating his victory.

Disappointing? Or pretty much to be expected?

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Sep 13 2015 18:49

Anyone seen anything more embarrassing than Billy Bragg singing 'The Red Flag' on stage with Corbyn?

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Sep 13 2015 19:27

Ed, you bastard! Why did you do that? I couldn't bring myself to watch it but I'm sure it's in as poor taste as a fucking snuff movie. Bragg should have his nuts placed lightly in a vice which the receives quarter of a turn every 24 hours for a month. Now that's a vid I WOULD watch!

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Sep 13 2015 19:55

I say fuck them all.

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Sep 13 2015 21:07
proletarian. wrote:
tbf isn't that coming from the same lot who were backing intervention in Libya?

More than likely, tbh I struggle to keep an eye on them. There's some decent people mixed up in there and I can't for the life of me work out what the glue is. By and large it seems like a mish mash of IWW, Class War, Left Unity, Unite the bleeding Community, Antifa and now the Labour Party. Dye in the wool anarchists, as you can understand.

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Sep 14 2015 07:14

That quote from the North East Anarchists Facebook page is another reason to avoid the label anarchist.

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Sep 14 2015 07:39
doug wrote:
Think Anti War said Wages for Housework were behind the Corbyn campaign. Right enough, Selma James and others are in this Guardian video celebrating his victory.

Disappointing? Or pretty much to be expected?

That clip is so enjoyable. Watching those deluded lefty idiots has cheered me up no end. I loved seeing the moron who appears with a Che Guevara flag! The lack of comprehension on the faces of the half a dozen people when they realise that Corbyn won't be coming out of the conference is a treat too.

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Sep 15 2015 21:32

I thought this was a thread to gush on, I was straight over here to join in smile

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Sep 18 2015 06:01

Well yeah I find some of the hype around him as annoying as the rest of you, but I do think his leadership of Labour presents an opportunity for the worker's movement.

In fact with the lack of any real resistance to capitalism in general, or lack of consensus as to what a real alternative can look like, or even really any unified movement that could achieve that consensus - I think that "anti-austerity" politics could help lay the foundations for a real alternative (like, say, the Chartists helped lay the groundwork for later movements) and we should get involved.

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Sep 18 2015 12:49
Twenty Seven wrote:
Well yeah I find some of the hype around him as annoying as the rest of you, but I do think his leadership of Labour presents an opportunity for the worker's movement.

In fact with the lack of any real resistance to capitalism in general, or lack of consensus as to what a real alternative can look like, or even really any unified movement that could achieve that consensus - I think that "anti-austerity" politics could help lay the foundations for a real alternative (like, say, the Chartists helped lay the groundwork for later movements) and we should get involved.

That's all Greek to me.

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Sep 18 2015 13:21

Twenty Seven

Have a read of this

http://libcom.org/blog/dear-messrs-webb-lustig%E2%80%A6-01112013

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Sep 19 2015 06:18
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Twenty Seven

Have a read of this

http://libcom.org/blog/dear-messrs-webb-lustig%E2%80%A6-01112013

There's nothing there that I really disagree with, that I can see. Maybe you can explain your issues with my post in your own words?