Anarchists in australia

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mikabill
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Feb 4 2007 09:01
Anarchists in australia

Can i please have contact details etc of any groups in oz

bill

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Feb 4 2007 09:26

macg1984[at]yahoo.com.au (change the [at] with an @ - it stops spammers using this list to harvest email addresses) - that's the Melbourne Anarchist Communist Group.

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Feb 4 2007 09:38

Bill, even the most basic of google searches will provide you with contact details of various groups in australia. These groups in turn usually have links to others too. Sorry if this sounds harsh but to me personally some of your posts seem to be coming from a mindset that is totally reformist in character which for anarchists is something that we challenge as it fails to address the fundamental causes of oppression and inequality e.g. capital. This makes me question, if this is your persuasion why you left socialist alliance for the greens in the first place. Also, you have been directed by more than one person to sites to give you more information about anarchism. I can be certain that the majority of anarchist information sites, including even wikipedia have contact details or links to anarchist groups. gregg.:rbstar:

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Feb 4 2007 09:49

reformist? can you explain? as for my politics i believe i am evolving towards what i see is right.most of the directions seem to have dead ends

bill

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Feb 4 2007 10:45

IWW branches in Australia.

http://www.iww.org/branches/Australia

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Feb 4 2007 14:05

Gregg, people like mikabill i.e. been in the socialist alliance, now in the greens, wannder on to this site with a bit of interest, are the people closest to anarchism out there. I would suggest talking to such people rather than dismissing them. His politics look a lot more sensible than mine were when I began to develop an interest in anarchism.

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Feb 4 2007 15:01

I am not trying to be an arsehole and appreciate that people do wander in to ask questions etc as I have done and do but the fact is that mikabill was at first looking for downloadable anarchist literature to find out more about anarchism. Fine. He was directed to a number of sites including the libcom library. This should have given the average person a rudimentary understanding of what anarchism is and what it is not. Now I'm not saying that I am some theoretical wizz because I am not. I know my limitations and try to learn, it's just that some of his posts seem to be reformist in character i.e. seemingly justifying being a member of a largeish political party. To me it seems that he is making what I see as excuses for participating in a system of oppression and inequality and so I question his motives. As for

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He is standing as a member of a political party in an election for crying out loud. I think that it is totally fair to question motives. gregg.

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Feb 5 2007 05:08

gregg after reading animal liberation devastate to liberate or devastatingly liberal? (which answered heaps of questions and can relate to any single issue group),the author talks about the leaders being like fascists etc trying to make people conform to the groups thinking...... il let you ponder that

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Feb 5 2007 10:47

ponder this... fuck off! You've asked for links to anarchist writings and been given heaps of links and yet you still persist in demonstrating that you've clearly read none of it. gregg.

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Feb 5 2007 11:02
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ponder this... fuck off! You've asked for links to anarchist writings and been given heaps of links and yet you still persist in demonstrating that you've clearly read none of it. gregg.

I'm getting frustrated too but you sound like a cranky school teacher. This is someone who is obviously interested in anarchist politics. Just throwing a few links at em might not cut it. Give it time.

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Feb 5 2007 11:29

mikabill, libcom.org's introduction to libertarian communism is here.

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Feb 6 2007 09:16

Thank you to those who have showed patience with me. To build a grassroots movement there is no need to get aggro at seekers. This attitude by gregg is similar to what i saw in the SA. The greens maybe reformist but show more openness to ideas etc.

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Feb 6 2007 09:18
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Thank you to those who have showed patience with me. To build a grassroots movement there is no need to get aggro at seekers. This attitude by gregg is similar to what i saw in the SA. The greens maybe reformist but show more openness to ideas etc.

libcom is a very cranky place. mostly debate etc. dont take it the wrong way.

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Feb 6 2007 09:32

Yeh i gathered that but ive met many good people here already and see anarchism as a natural step in my politics. Its the only way for an equal society

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Feb 6 2007 10:33
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Yeh i gathered that but ive met many good people here already and see anarchism as a natural step in my politics. Its the only way for an equal society

look, even willing to put up with our banter cuz he thinks it sutch a damn good ideal!

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Feb 6 2007 10:50

oh and there's a libcom critique of the UK Green Party here

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Feb 6 2007 10:58
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Yeh i gathered that but ive met many good people here already and see anarchism as a natural step in my politics. Its the only way for an equal society

Agro from me... pah! Welcome to you bill, your memory seems a little short though. I distinctly remember offering supportive advice to you when you joined the board. It was only when you kept seemingly defending reformist politics that people, not just me were getting frustrated. It seems that you may have actually read some anarchist stuff now for you to be making the statement that you did above. Good on you. So I guess the greens will be looking for a new candidate for Kingston now? gregg. :rbstar:

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Feb 6 2007 11:55

No not yet i want to finish what i set out to do

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Feb 6 2007 21:42

Do tell, do tell... It hasn't got anything to do with the 5th of November has it? grin

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Feb 7 2007 00:10
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Gregg, people like mikabill i.e. been in the socialist alliance, now in the greens, wannder on to this site with a bit of interest, are the people closest to anarchism out there. I would suggest talking to such people rather than dismissing them. His politics look a lot more sensible than mine were when I began to develop an interest in anarchism.

Oh contrare. The last thing we need to be is a drift net collecting the debris of the activist swamp. We're trying to reach out and be relevant to working families, not 'turning' leftists. red n black star

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Feb 7 2007 06:35

Jason i am a factory worker my parents were and so were theres

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Feb 7 2007 07:01
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Jason i am a factory worker my parents were and so were theres

Hey mikabill, I personally don't think that where a person works/what industry is a determinant of their class so much any more. Maybe I'm wrong on this but I am originally from Adelaide myself, Elizabeth actually. As you would know, Elizabeth is an industrial city where the Holden factory is the major employer. In the 70's, 80's and for the most part 90's, Elizabeth was a staunch Labor area with a traditional working class ethos. Now alot of the factory workers, some of my family members included angry are voting Liberal so that the benefits that they have personally gained - home ownership/ability to send their kids to private schools etc due to better than avarage wages will be looked after. I remember being shocked a few years ago when, for the first time in my 35 year living memory, the local member was a Liberal. Some of these people now don't see the need for unions as they are on a good thing with their new middle class values and so have in turn, dumped Labor. Basically the reform focus of the unions has turned around and bitten them on the arse so that the staunch working class have been wasted. gregg :rbstar:

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Feb 7 2007 07:20

all true but i just see them as try hard middle class

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Feb 7 2007 07:23

sorry to hijack the forum there but it shits me a bit when I hear about factory workers as though it's some kind of badge of honour. I know that there are shit factories around with shit conditions and employers but many factories have enough numbers in employee ranks to do something about it if they had the inclination. The large ones have, resulting in conditions that make workers choose to make a career out of places like Holdens rather than when I grew up it being a threat that that's where I'd end up! I've had a number of shit jobs where I've been fucked over more than any factory worker I know - warehousing/labouring/hospitality, even when I was a bouncer I saw plenty of people getting fucked over and people try to fuck me over. There are so many areas of employement where unscrupulous employers are working over their employees because they know that the employee numbers are low enough or isolated enough to keep them in check. Thanks to the new IR laws too, small scale exploiters have never had it so good. In my experience too, a lot of the smaller workplaces are filled with agency workers so they get both ends of the pineapple. my rant is officially over (for now).grin gregg:rbstar:

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all true but i just see them as try hard middle class

You're probably right, but fuck it breaks my heart to see family members act like this. gregg

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Feb 7 2007 08:58

There'll be one more anarchist in Australia shortly, as a member of South London SolFed is going back there for three months.

You have been warned. wink

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Feb 7 2007 09:06

if she/he is going to be in brisbane at any time let us know. gregg.

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Feb 7 2007 21:31

a wob from my parts is some place in new south wales right now . PM me if you want his myspace link.

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a wob from my parts is some place in new south wales right now . PM me if you want his myspace link.

....hes an anarchist too....

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a wob from my parts is some place in new south wales right now . PM me if you want his myspace link.

....hes an anarchist too....

Hence my PM to you now. Thanks. I don't know what other peoples' experiences have been with the IWW in australia but for me it's been disappointing on two separate occassions. The first was when I had minimum 9 but possibly 13 workers at a warehouse I was working at lined up to join. I made contact about setting up a branch or some such thing in brisbane as there didn't seem to be anything IWW wise happening around here and we needed some solidarity and resources immediately. I got a reply that we couldn't basically because we had to be members for 12 months in order to build trust with the ROC. A lot of good that was going to do in our dealings with increasingly aggressive management who were successfully dividing and thus conquering this workforce of agency workers. I'd even managed to get some of this mainly apathetic workforce to agree to march under the IWW banner at that years' may day if things went to plan. Not long after this I managed to get onto a mainstream union who's bark was good but turned out to have no bite. Alas all union members suddenly found themselves with no work. My second attempt at contact with the IWW in oz was when a friend of mine's workplace managers were being bastards. For a couple of months I had been planting the seed in a number of workers' heads and had done a bit of leafletting on site (I do volunteer work there too) about the benefit of a united workforce and how new industrial relations laws here were going to affect them etc. I sent off emails to IWW but got no reply. Once again, workers ended up joining a mainstream union who have done fuck all but collect dues from them since. Is it just me or have others had a similar experience? gregg :rbstar: