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Jul 5 2009 04:02
Aus/NZ cooperation

Good call. I spose what we could work out first is where we're at.
In Adelaide we're trying to get active. We did some leafletting of an ICC article at a fairly excellent climate rally, did some leafletting on may day, attempted to leaflet on anzac day(rained too hard, our hair would get messy) and also on the ecological field perhaps will get involved with 'Eco-Socialist' discussions and gatherings.
Also might get active in connection to Ark tribe, first South Aus. unionist to be faced with charges from the ABCC.

So i spose if we want cooperation we'll need active communication. So what's the go with MACG, ASF, Wobblies and any independant activists from melbourne?

And what's currently the go with SACT are they still meeting? or did that transform into ASF-discussions and then into the internationalist discussions?(that's the timeline i see anyway) And what about groups and activity in Brissy?
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Jul 6 2009 14:49

A useful start might be recognition amongst anarchist groups of each other. ASF, for example, don't call themselves an anarchist group and neither, I think, do the IWW. This doesn't preclude co-operation between anyone, but I'm thinking about anarchist groups per se.

For example, in the Melbourne Anarchist Club (I'm in MAC), we'd probably need to know who the group is, what their constitution is (if they have one) and what the membership requirements are (if they have them) and then we could propose formal relations. We've gone through this process with Barricade, World Without, ASF and ADA, as well as a few non-anarchist groups. As has been pointed out elsewhere, anyone can call themselves anarchist but that doesn't mean anyone else is obliged to believe them (National Anarchists *cough*).

From there it might be possible to receive proposals and delegates. In real life this might translate into offering couches to visitors, contributing articles, solidarity activities and sharing resources. Which would be very, very useful I reckon. But you never know until it's actually put to a meeting and see who has the energy to put in the work.

The lesson I learned from the Federation conference was that the anarchist groups should decide how much co-operation they want to give and who with. I think the problem with the Federation proposals for co-operation is that they were a compromise and didn't actually reflect what these groups wanted – they were probably too much of an imposition which is why they weren't implemented. So yeah, if you're asking me, I think groups should approach each other directly and be upfront about what they want and what they can share. If you want to contact MAC, write to:

MAC Secretary
PO Box 494
Brunswick, Vic, 3056
Australia

(Snail mail ftw!)

Feel free to ask for a copy of our Aims and Principles.

I don't check Libcom that much, so you're best off sending something to our PO Box if you do want to find out more about MAC and have any proposals you wish to send us. It'd be great if any anarchist groups dropped us a letter.

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Jul 7 2009 09:40
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And what's currently the go with SACT are they still meeting? or did that transform into ASF-discussions and then into the internationalist discussions?(that's the timeline i see anyway)

As far as I know, SACT is defunct and has been for a while now.

Gabs, what are the 'internationalist discussions' you refer to? I'll go out on a limb here in that you are referring to what was originally proposed under the title of a "Sydney Internationalist Discussion Group". Today we meet under the name of the "Sydney Class Struggle Discussion Circle" and operate as a forum open to people wishing to discuss, debate and clarify their political positions. We have no lineage with SACT, though elements formerly associated with it participate in the circle.

Sorry if this is not what you were referring to though...

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Jul 7 2009 12:59

Yeah that's the one, that was an accurate limb smile

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Aug 4 2009 06:30

I'd like to see this thread come to life so, bumping.

So if we were to list off some groups which could cooperate together in some way, would we possibly say: MAC, MACG, AWSM and Organise! ?

Lumpen has told us how we can work with MAC. But what about the other groups?

Unlike MAC comrades, organise has move into the 21st century(cool) and has an email address - organise[at]riseup[dot]net - we can be contacted through here, and anything brought up discussed at our soonest fortnightly meeting.

That's all for now.

ps: does anyone from MACG post here? and is MAC really only contactable by snail mail?

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Aug 4 2009 10:44
Gabs wrote:
is MAC really only contactable by snail mail?

they've got a website, through which u can email them.
http://mac.anarchobase.com/
Not sure if they ever check it tho...
I know they've got an announce list, although not sure what it is,
I'll try 'n find out for you

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Aug 4 2009 10:48
Gabs wrote:
ps: does anyone from MACG post here?

One of them posts on ABC, I think.

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Aug 4 2009 11:27

It's true, we don't check the website.
It's also true that our PO Box is the best way to contact us – wow, I really should sort that out this week! I heard there is this thing called "electronic mail" that is popular with all the anarchists.
We've been mostly focused on the building and doing that stuff, so our communication outside of local things has withered. I'm current secretary, so if you want to contact MAC, you can PM me until I get the email up and running again.

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Aug 4 2009 11:58
Lumpen wrote:
I heard there is this thing called "electronic mail" that is popular with all the anarchists.

"electronic mail", eh? Sounds intriguing, how does it work exactly? Robotic postmen? wink

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Aug 5 2009 05:45

It's almost like robotic posties. But it's asif the robots were infact tiny electrical signals flashing ones and zeros across cables to other servers. Something like this.

Maybe i could just ask some things that everyone can know?
Like;
how often does MAC meet?
do many people come to meetings?
has focus on maintaining the space meant a lack of activity on other projects?
Optional: do all members have fantastic moustaches/beards, and do meetings consist of lounging in tall leather arm chairs, smoking pipes, and swilling brandy?(this is what i picture when i think "melbourne anarchist club")

I was gonna ask for the aims and principles - but you've got it online anyway.

Many thanks

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Aug 5 2009 11:40

how often does MAC meet?
Once a week.

do many people come to meetings?
7–10 seems to be the average over the last few months, plus one or two observers from other groups. We've had as many as 20. Can't tell you how many paid-up members we have at the moment: around 12 I think.

has focus on maintaining the space meant a lack of activity on other projects?
Yes. It's a problem we've identified and are working on. We're currently working on ways we can split our activities between dealing with the State & stuff (bills, local council, people who use the space) so we can actually do, you know, anarchist stuff as a club. People join and find that we spend most of our meeting talking about GST and shit. Probably not great for an anarchist group. It'd be safe to say we all really want to be doing something else with our time.

Optional: do all members have fantastic moustaches/beards, and do meetings consist of lounging in tall leather arm chairs, smoking pipes, and swilling brandy?(this is what i picture when i think "melbourne anarchist club")
The best we can do is a shitty couch and homebrew. No-one has a moustache and this is also something we should be focusing our energy on. I personally need something to twiddle when I make a witty remark.

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Aug 5 2009 12:41

Anyone know how to homebrew brandy? I'll get onto it for MARC
i may need to work on my mo b4 i apply for MAC membership tho,
got a pretty shitty beard at the moment, would this suffice?

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Aug 5 2009 12:53

Sounds good. We seem to have overfilled our quota of men in the group for the moment, so you'll need a serious Nietzsche-level moustache to even get a look in.

Seriously though. Send MAC something. Introduce your group and things will happen!

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Aug 5 2009 13:03

would something like this get me in?

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Aug 6 2009 07:01

Yes. Yes it will.

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Aug 7 2009 17:38
riot_dude wrote:
got a pretty shitty beard at the moment, would this suffice?

Why would you even ask? Of course it wouldn't!

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Aug 8 2009 03:21

This should suffice Riot_Dude...

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Aug 17 2009 04:42

Does anyone have any news on groups in sydney?
What ever happened to SACT? I think i was told once but i don't remember.

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Aug 18 2009 06:17

SACT, as far as I know, is defunct. It has had no activity, again as far as I know, for many months as long ago as the end of last year.