Happy Australia Day!

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Jan 26 2007 08:58
Happy Australia Day!

Australians let us all rejoice
For we are young and free
Where the rich get fat on workers toil
In our convict colony
We smashed the aborigines
And cut down all the trees
So bollocks to the working class
And fuck the refugees
So bollocks to the working class
And fuck the refugees

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Jan 26 2007 12:47
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Australians let us all rejoice
For we are young and free
Where the rich get fat on workers toil
In our convict colony
We smashed the aborigines
And cut down all the trees
So bollocks to the working class
And fuck the refugees
So bollocks to the working class
And fuck the refugees

Cheers magnifico, i knew it went something like that, although I don't feel too comfortable belting out the first line...We here are supposedly one of the most governed cuntries in the world. So what did everyone here do to celebrate Invasion Day? For me, the cringe factor of what Australia Day represents - all of that Australian values bollocks - is huge. And with little Johnny crapping on about newbies having to speak english and the Australian Right setting in stone the flag from a symbol of historical colonialism into blatant racist iconography.... As for Invasion Day, I posted a reply to a blog on a brissie site the other day, basically asking for some discussion on the role non-Indigenous folk (esp. anarchist) play in Invasion Day activities. Most years I go to the Invasion Day rally but I often leave with mixed feelings. Anyway, this is a link to the site and my response...http://brisbaneanarchy.org/node/87#comment , I really would, for my own benefit like to hear what others have to say. grrregg.

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Jan 26 2007 12:50

cry cry cry

anna x
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Jan 26 2007 13:10

that cringe factor i mentioned... is Warnie back there yet?

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Jan 26 2007 13:25
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cry cry cry

Yes button, it's a great loss, we won't see his like again.... cry wink

I'm so going to see Hampshire this season, I went to a day of the 05 ashes & really wanted to see him bowl (used to be a leggie myself until i practised my googly too much and now can only bowl bad googlies) but it was the day in Nottingham when Australia followed on eek so I didn't get to see him bowl doh!

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Jan 26 2007 13:33

Yay! Another cricket fan in the SolFed. cool

I'm just a boring fastish medium pace I'm afraid. About the only wickets I ever took were with my first couple of balls in a session, as I have a deceptively short run-up. sad

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Jan 26 2007 15:08

the honcho at work (viz right here wherefrom i post, reappropriating my time from the man) is australian. he gave out "ANZAC cookies" yesterday, made of oats and corn syrup apparently.

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Jan 26 2007 15:24
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Australia Day

No, fucking, way grin

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Jan 26 2007 15:48

they're all roaming round the office wearing national flags, or green and yellow. Thankfully none both. I think they're drunk too...

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Jan 26 2007 16:35
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Anyway, this is a link to the site and my response...http://brisbaneanarchy.org/node/87#comment , I really would, for my own benefit like to hear what others have to say. grrregg.

I can see why you have mixed feelings about this rally, it sounds pretty wierd.

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Would anarchist and the Indigenous community's interests be better served if we were to be an organised presence in support of the Indigenous Community's rally and march instead of being a part of it. That way, in my way of looking at things, Indigenous folk would have had at least some autonony on a day of great significance and we as anarchists would be demonstrating a respectful response to their demands for autonomy by offering solidarity with no strings attached.

I find this idea problematic because as a class struggle anarchist I don't recognise distinctions between people on the grounds of race or nationality. The invasion of Australia should to my mind be seen as a class issue - sure aborigines suffered horribly and still do, but many of the ancestors of white Australians were also victims of this policy by the British ruling class - they were transported to an incredibly hot, dry and inhospitable country on the other side of the world with no hope of ever returning to see their loved ones ever again, mostly for stupid 'crimes' such as stealing a loaf of bread. many died, both on the way over or during the forced labour they had to carry out in the searing heat once they got there. The picture of hordes of rich, greedy white people streaming across the planet to shoot the indigenous people and steal their land is historically inaccurate. It's the same how British people as a whole are expected to take the blame for the Irish potato famine, when in fact the English working class was suffering poiverty and starvation on a similar scale due to the effects of enclosure.

So I don't think it's helpful to view 'the aboriginal community' as the victim, and support calls for 'autonomy' which is essentially a mild version of a national liberation struggle. Instead poor aborigines should be seen as a section of the working class in Australia which is particularly hard up due to racist policies and a historical legacy of being disadvantaged. As libertarian communists we should be opposing such divisions in the working class, not championing them in the name of 'autonomy' (even if there was the remotest chance of any meaningful autonomy in this instance, which there isn't). We should be fighting for improvements in the rights, treatment and material position of aborigines, but this should be done in the name of working class solidarity, not racial autonomy. So I guess the only reason I would go to such a rally would be to hand out leaflets explaining my view on the matter and trying to convince well-meaning whites or angry aborigines that i am right. Would you consider supporting the march with a 'transportation day' anarchist block to highlight the suffering that the British policy of turning Australia into a penal camp caused to the white working class, and how the Australian state was built on the back of class oppression of both whites and aborigines? That might be a good way of getting the point across... Anyway, there's my two cents.... wink

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Jan 26 2007 17:08

Thanks for the response magnifico. I understand what you say about working class solidarity and maybe I naively expressed it but that's sorta what I was getting at. For me when I go to these rallies and marches I often feel that I am part of the problem. The Indigenous community are demanding their rights to make decisions for themselves about issues that directly affect them as a community. I agree that these issues are ones that we as anarchists should fighting as well but from what i've seen and experienced at many rallies, the issues seem to get hijacked by either mainstream political parties or worse socialists. It is then, with no organised anarchist presence that I feel that I then become part of the hijacking process. Sorry if this doesn't sound too clear but it's late and my mind is being bent by a uni essay due. gregg.

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Jan 26 2007 17:25

Thanks for the response revol. I guess I have a decent slab of white guilt that I carry around. I think that what you and magnifico have said has given me a bit of a shake up. Of course you are correct in what you say about presupposing a homogenous Indigenous Australian population and as I replied to magnifico, in my own (perhaps naive) way I was asking the question as to what a suitable anarchist response would be to this particular day and what it(australia/invasion day) means for various groups in Australian society. gregg.

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Jan 26 2007 18:15
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what you and magnifico have said has given me a bit of a shake up

In a good way I hope. All part of the service! wink

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I guess I have a decent slab of white guilt that I carry around

Since there's zero chance of Australia being 'liberated' from Europeans I guess there's no danger whatsoever in the Australian ruling class ratcheting up this 'white guilt' to the maximum, speaking at 'invasion day' rallies, flying the aboriginal flag from state buildings etc, I think it serves a useful function in preventing Australians from recognising their own oppression, rather they see themselves as the oppressor and have to apologise and feel bad about it all the time. It's hard to feel guilty and angry at the same time.... So you see it's your revolutionary duty to stop feeling guilty!

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Jan 27 2007 02:18

It was fucking disgusting. Drunken retards wearing the flag as a cape.

This mass flag-waving is only a few years old and very popular with teens and twenty somethings. In response the non-Anglo kids seem to be getting more into their own nationalist stupidities - eg the Serbs and Croats fighting at the tennis recently.

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Jan 28 2007 03:06
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the honcho at work (viz right here wherefrom i post, reappropriating my time from the man) is australian. he gave out "ANZAC cookies" yesterday, made of oats and corn syrup apparently.

What a fucking idiot. ANZAC biscuits are for ANZAC Day. Lamingtons are for Aus Day.

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It was fucking disgusting. Drunken retards wearing the flag as a cape.

embarrassed embarrassed embarrassed embarrassed embarrassed
It was to prevent sunburn, honest! I had nothing else to protect my pale-as-arse skin. I promise I wont do it again.

My fiancee took a photo but I'm gonna destroy the film before any comrades see it. It's the pub's fault anyway - they gave it to us.

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This mass flag-waving is only a few years old and very popular with teens and twenty somethings.

Seriously though, yeah, nationlism is at an all time high, completely off the chart. Presumably coz we got troops at war and coz of the terrorist attacks in Indonesia, plus just the right touch of hysteria encouragement from the media. I've never seen anything like it. Quite scary really.

Gregg: Ditto what Magnifico is on about regarding Aborigines. The organised left in Australia is a sycophantic bunch of dicks who are promoting divisive politics. I've been thinking about this a bit lately and am keen to discuss more.

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Jan 28 2007 07:47
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Gregg: Ditto what Magnifico is on about regarding Aborigines. The organised left in Australia is a sycophantic bunch of dicks who are promoting divisive politics. I've been thinking about this a bit lately and am keen to discuss more.

hey Jas, I'm keen as to meet up. I finish what i have to uni wise tommorow so have a month free to do fuck all with fuck all before i hit the "university for the real world" again... send me an email. I know someone else that's keen to do the meet and greet thang too. I do have home brew though! :rbstar: smile

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Jan 28 2007 12:36
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Seriously though, yeah, nationlism is at an all time high, completely off the chart. Presumably coz we got troops at war and coz of the terrorist attacks in Indonesia, plus just the right touch of hysteria encouragement from the media. I've never seen anything like it. Quite scary really.

There was an interesting story in the Australian on Friday about the Oz flag at the Sydney Big Day Out (couldn't find it on Rupe's website unfortunately). It was everywhere apparently despite the organisers (probably foolish) attempt to ban it. I've been to a few BDOs over the years and there always seemed to be a sort of general if toothless anti-authoritarianism among the crowd so it's kind of sad to hear it's now populated by flag-waving morons. The kids aren't alright.

Next year I think I'll have to have an anti-Australia day party.

PS. John, apparently the currently named ANZAC biscuits are not in fact the same as the biscuits eaten by the Oz/NZ soldiers at Gallipoli. They taste good though.

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Jan 29 2007 01:21
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I've been to a few BDOs over the years and there always seemed to be a sort of general if toothless anti-authoritarianism among the crowd so it's kind of sad to hear it's now populated by flag-waving morons. The kids aren't alright.

That's Australia alright. The myth is we're all a bunch of irreverent, anti-authoritarian larrikins. But as soon as someone waves a flag or pumps out the anthem its stepping in line and marching in time all round.

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Jan 29 2007 01:22

Apparently at last years Sydney BDO, people were surrounded by flag waving idiots and told "kiss the flag or else!" Fucking ridiculous.

And yeah, mmmm, ANZAC biscuits are delicious!

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Jan 29 2007 01:31
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they're so devoid of culture that they couldn't even name it something interesting.

Australians the culchies of the world.

Devoid of culture my arse. We just haven't done anything recently coz we're still riding the crest of the wave that was the '80s. You can't tell me Crocodile Dundee, Neighbours and Kylie Minogue dosn't do it for you.

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Jan 29 2007 01:42

Seems like this nationalist shit is a stayer. I read online somewhere that on ausralia day in adelaide there was a blue involving 150 kids on semaphore beach around the whole "i'm more australian than you are" bollocks. This reminds me of my days as a bouncer working at an irish pub in brisbane. There were always little scuffles between blokes along the lines of "i'm more Irish than you" when they're pissed up drinking what they think Irish folk drink. If I'm not wrong, Lager nowdays would be more popular among the young folk in Ireland wouldn't it? Maybe some Irish comrades could help us out on this one. It was pretty funny stuff at the time.

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Jan 29 2007 01:44
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Devoid of culture my arse. We just haven't done anything recently coz we're still riding the crest of the wave that was the '80s. You can't tell me Crocodile Dundee, Neighbours and Kylie Minogue dosn't do it for you.

What about Steve Irwin? To not wear khaki and scare the fuck out of animals for a living is plain un Australian.

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Jan 29 2007 02:01
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And yeah, mmmm, ANZAC biscuits are delicious!

yeah, i tought they were alright

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Jan 29 2007 10:04
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Devoid of culture my arse. We just haven't done anything recently coz we're still riding the crest of the wave that was the '80s. You can't tell me Crocodile Dundee, Neighbours and Kylie Minogue dosn't do it for you.

What about Steve Irwin? To not wear khaki and scare the fuck out of animals for a living is plain un Australian.

Between Dame Edna, Rolf Harris, John Howard, Jason Donovan and this as overseas representations...
http://www.youtube.com/v/pa_7P5AbUww
We're fucked.